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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 4931192" data-attributes="member: 82504">Sure seemed like it... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  --- The word Damage I think is misleading... If they called it hit point loss and if we had a wound system to help point out hit point loss caused by many of these powers are not wounds in a normal sense, it would have a positive effect on the visualization. And some of the effects could/should always be seen as one form of hp loss like the inducing fatigue I mentioned in my sleeping beauty (fatiguing sleep) spell i postulated.If hit points represented something less abstract/vague it would make sense for far fewer spells to induce or cause their loss.(how many many effects does my luck not try to defend me from??)  Note that hitpoints being vague created issues in visualization is something people came to when playing D&D 1.0.... not something new.  I think that hitpoints are now truer to form ... in that there definition and in game effects are a closer match now than they were before... but given the definition over laps many things (most of which are very reasonable to recover in just a short time) Sound ok, but lets look a little closer...  at say that knockout spell... easiest to analyse since its goal is close to identical as that of normal attacks.Against a level 2 solo it would be equivalent potency of an attack causing 92 points of hp loss. (sounds like an aweful lot and that is to do a level 2)and a level 2 elite its like 28 to 43 hp of effectiveness.. OK and dropping down to a level 2 standard monster 15 - 24 hps.... now we are talking business Not an unreasonable ammount of effect for a sorceror/warlock level 1 encounter power ...(They are strikers not a controllers but this spells action is actually a striker function no matter what its special effects)I could adjust the adversaries and give them appropriate defenses like 5 points better defense (just for use against these absolute save or die effects - even if tied to bloodied state - it is what it is) for elites and that plus an extra defense roll against it for the solos.Now your knockout spell could be a level 1 encounter spell of a Warlock or Sorceror... they specialize in this ... or a level 5 daily Wizard spell.Hmmm... but I think I think I like Phantasmal Assailant betterwhich might completely disable that bloodied standard 2nd level opponent... his completely disabled state at zero hitpoints  I would describe as eyes wide open in a state of permanent nightmare or maybe clawing eyes out by self(npc only) with mind completely gone in general oblivious to all attacks.</blockquote>

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