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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Boots" data-source="post: 7502608" data-attributes="member: 92239">Hi Saelorn -&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm down with DM making the call.&nbsp; I just have the preference that passive perception is always on and I think that's the correct interpretation of the rules per everything I've ever read on every thread prior to this one, everywhere I've ever seen one.Don't get caught up in semantics.&nbsp; I only use &quot;scene&quot; to mean &quot;when a character could reasonably be assumed to be able to sense something.&nbsp; I was initially thinking something basic like &quot;going over the crest of a hill&quot; or &quot;opening the door to a room&quot; but it can mean whatever is appropriate to the game.So there's a couple of problems with your interpretation of the Rogue ability as it compares to passive perception.1. The rogue ability only guarantees that your skill roll will never be lower than a 10 and does so across all of your trained skills.2. Passive perception can be and often is higher than 10.&nbsp; Using your example, if passive is higher than an active roll, with a DC of say 15 and a passive of 15, you should see the object you're looking for when it's in range of your senses before you'd ever have to make an active perception roll.&nbsp; If you roll lower than 15 on the active, you still see the thing you saw before you rolled.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Be wellKB</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kobold Boots, post: 7502608, member: 92239"] Hi Saelorn - I'm down with DM making the call. I just have the preference that passive perception is always on and I think that's the correct interpretation of the rules per everything I've ever read on every thread prior to this one, everywhere I've ever seen one. Don't get caught up in semantics. I only use "scene" to mean "when a character could reasonably be assumed to be able to sense something. I was initially thinking something basic like "going over the crest of a hill" or "opening the door to a room" but it can mean whatever is appropriate to the game. So there's a couple of problems with your interpretation of the Rogue ability as it compares to passive perception. 1. The rogue ability only guarantees that your skill roll will never be lower than a 10 and does so across all of your trained skills. 2. Passive perception can be and often is higher than 10. Using your example, if passive is higher than an active roll, with a DC of say 15 and a passive of 15, you should see the object you're looking for when it's in range of your senses before you'd ever have to make an active perception roll. If you roll lower than 15 on the active, you still see the thing you saw before you rolled. :) Be well KB [/QUOTE]

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