Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is LIVE! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
What DM flaw has caused you to actually leave a game?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7507003"><p>As I read your examples, I kind of went back and forth in my head on this one. I both agree there <em>shouldn't</em> be any problem with the player requests, and yet it bugs me. It feels...powergamey. "I really like the powers of Devotion Paladin, but I don't want to roleplay it."</p><p></p><p>On the other hand....ok, fine. Why force people to roleplay who don't want to?</p><p></p><p>The only bit I really disagree with is "DM ego thing." I don't think (then again, maybe I wouldn't know) that it's my ego as a DM that would make me want to do the exact opposite of what the player requests. Even if I was a player at the table I would kinda want the DM to do so, although I'll admit it isn't a terribly generous thought. It's more like Shadenfreude than ego. Or, it's like the feeling you get when you're in a slow traffic and somebody is changing lanes aggressively: you kind of want them to get pulled over as punishment for their selfishness.</p><p></p><p>In fact, now that I've written that, that's exactly it. Your hypothetical devotion paladin, like the aggressive lane changer, is breaking the social contract...the part of the contract that says "don't do anything that doesn't scale to everybody doing it". If EVERYBODY just threw away the inconvenient bits of their character it's no longer a roleplaying game it's a tactical miniatures game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7507003"] As I read your examples, I kind of went back and forth in my head on this one. I both agree there [I]shouldn't[/I] be any problem with the player requests, and yet it bugs me. It feels...powergamey. "I really like the powers of Devotion Paladin, but I don't want to roleplay it." On the other hand....ok, fine. Why force people to roleplay who don't want to? The only bit I really disagree with is "DM ego thing." I don't think (then again, maybe I wouldn't know) that it's my ego as a DM that would make me want to do the exact opposite of what the player requests. Even if I was a player at the table I would kinda want the DM to do so, although I'll admit it isn't a terribly generous thought. It's more like Shadenfreude than ego. Or, it's like the feeling you get when you're in a slow traffic and somebody is changing lanes aggressively: you kind of want them to get pulled over as punishment for their selfishness. In fact, now that I've written that, that's exactly it. Your hypothetical devotion paladin, like the aggressive lane changer, is breaking the social contract...the part of the contract that says "don't do anything that doesn't scale to everybody doing it". If EVERYBODY just threw away the inconvenient bits of their character it's no longer a roleplaying game it's a tactical miniatures game. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
What DM flaw has caused you to actually leave a game?
Top