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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7508640" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>The point I and others have made is fairly simple - a GM who (i) runs a game for a player who has clearly indicated that s/he doesn't want patron drama in the game, and (ii) insisted nevertheless on including such drama, is a bad GM.</p><p></p><p>The suggestion that such a GM <em>can't enjoy a game</em> without mucking about with the patron of the warlock player who has indicated s/he doesn't want such mucking about - <em>when presumably that GM would have cheerfully run a game with no warlock and hence no patron in it at all</em> - is just a further sign that this person is a bad GM.</p><p></p><p>The idea that the game will break in some fashion unless the GM mucks about in this way, because it's part of the balance of a warlock PC that the GM will introduce patron drama - is also ridiculous, and a GM who thought otherwise would be a bad GM for a different reason (to do with a poor understanding of how 5e is balanced).</p><p></p><p>The idea that <em>it is in the realm of the GM</em> to tell a player that s/he can't keep playing his/her PC because of the GM's views about warlock patrons is, in my view, another ridiculous thing. Nothing in the Basic PDF rules even remotely hints at this in respect of clerics (who have been said by various posters in this thread to be equivalent in this respect).</p><p></p><p>Where does this idea come from, that it is a GM's job to tell players how to play their PCs?</p><p></p><p>The archbishop is not a real person with a real personality. S/he is a narrative device in a shared fiction. If the GM chooses to hose a player's relationship with the temple simply because <em>s/he has decided</em> that the archbishop is unreasonable, then in my view that is yet another reason for me to avoid that GM!</p><p></p><p>A player says that s/he's not interested in a game involving temple (or patron, or whatever) dramas, and it turns out that the temple is the main villain? And you wonder why I pull out words like "railroading"!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7508640, member: 42582"] The point I and others have made is fairly simple - a GM who (i) runs a game for a player who has clearly indicated that s/he doesn't want patron drama in the game, and (ii) insisted nevertheless on including such drama, is a bad GM. The suggestion that such a GM [I]can't enjoy a game[/I] without mucking about with the patron of the warlock player who has indicated s/he doesn't want such mucking about - [I]when presumably that GM would have cheerfully run a game with no warlock and hence no patron in it at all[/I] - is just a further sign that this person is a bad GM. The idea that the game will break in some fashion unless the GM mucks about in this way, because it's part of the balance of a warlock PC that the GM will introduce patron drama - is also ridiculous, and a GM who thought otherwise would be a bad GM for a different reason (to do with a poor understanding of how 5e is balanced). The idea that [I]it is in the realm of the GM[/I] to tell a player that s/he can't keep playing his/her PC because of the GM's views about warlock patrons is, in my view, another ridiculous thing. Nothing in the Basic PDF rules even remotely hints at this in respect of clerics (who have been said by various posters in this thread to be equivalent in this respect). Where does this idea come from, that it is a GM's job to tell players how to play their PCs? The archbishop is not a real person with a real personality. S/he is a narrative device in a shared fiction. If the GM chooses to hose a player's relationship with the temple simply because [I]s/he has decided[/I] that the archbishop is unreasonable, then in my view that is yet another reason for me to avoid that GM! A player says that s/he's not interested in a game involving temple (or patron, or whatever) dramas, and it turns out that the temple is the main villain? And you wonder why I pull out words like "railroading"! [/QUOTE]
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