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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7509171" data-attributes="member: 29398">See above reply to Hussar regarding convenience.The 1e Cleric is the better comparable here - it has to be answerable to its deity who gives it spells every day, but its presence almost never limits party composition and it doesn't have the magic item limit.Should a Cleric who tells his deity to sod off still receive spells?No, it doesn't - I was once again simply trying to take your extreme example and bring it back to something more likely to happen - or that, in this case, did.Here's one for you: a player brings in a PC and does some vague background for him, including that he has an older sister who is also an adventurer.  A while later another player brings in a PC who is that sister.  Who gets to determine what the rest of the family is like? (and by the way, this is actual in my current game; with both these PCs still active)In the extreme cases you bring up that rarely if ever occur in the wild, I'd agree.  I'm going after the sorts of things that are more commonly seen.It could have become the party's current mission in a hundred thousand different ways, by no means all of which are DM-driven.</blockquote>