Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
What DM flaw has caused you to actually leave a game?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7509406" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>If the game's being run using a canned setting e.g. Greyhawk or Eberron or whatever then the info's out there for all to find; the DM only has to inform as to any changes to the canon. If it's a homebrew setting then yes, the DM has to make sure there's enough clear info given to allow the players to see what's involved (or likely to be involved) in playing a cleric to any given deity. (and having done these deity write-ups for my own campaign I'll say this: it's a lot of work, but if you can then use the same pantheon from one campaign to the next it's work you really only have to do once)</p><p></p><p>If you're running the game from a 1e perspective - and I'm not sure if this has changed much since - then a high-level cleric communicates with its deity every morning while praying for 6th and 7th level spells. (3rd-5th come from a minion, 1st-2nd come as a function of faith and belief). In this sense, the deity is certainly real to the praying cleric!</p><p></p><p>There's a leap of logic here that I'm not following.</p><p></p><p>First, what's this "human perspective" you're referring to?</p><p></p><p>Second, if a deity is 'real' in the game world/setting to the point of being able to have any sentient interaction with anyone then it's an NPC. If a deity isn't 'real' and is nothing more than an amorphous source of daily spells then it's not an NPC, but in this case you'd have to ban <em>Commune</em> as a spell as its very existence presumes sentience and knowledge at the deity end.</p><p></p><p>Who gets to determine how this new deity interacts with the other Dwarven deities, or how Dwarves view its followers and clerics? Who plays the deity when it interacts with your PC e.g. when you cast <em>Commune</em>?</p><p></p><p>So what happens if someone else wants to play a cleric to this deity? Are they now bound to your vision of it; or in other words, is this deity in effect now just an extension of your specific PC?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7509406, member: 29398"] If the game's being run using a canned setting e.g. Greyhawk or Eberron or whatever then the info's out there for all to find; the DM only has to inform as to any changes to the canon. If it's a homebrew setting then yes, the DM has to make sure there's enough clear info given to allow the players to see what's involved (or likely to be involved) in playing a cleric to any given deity. (and having done these deity write-ups for my own campaign I'll say this: it's a lot of work, but if you can then use the same pantheon from one campaign to the next it's work you really only have to do once) If you're running the game from a 1e perspective - and I'm not sure if this has changed much since - then a high-level cleric communicates with its deity every morning while praying for 6th and 7th level spells. (3rd-5th come from a minion, 1st-2nd come as a function of faith and belief). In this sense, the deity is certainly real to the praying cleric! There's a leap of logic here that I'm not following. First, what's this "human perspective" you're referring to? Second, if a deity is 'real' in the game world/setting to the point of being able to have any sentient interaction with anyone then it's an NPC. If a deity isn't 'real' and is nothing more than an amorphous source of daily spells then it's not an NPC, but in this case you'd have to ban [I]Commune[/I] as a spell as its very existence presumes sentience and knowledge at the deity end. Who gets to determine how this new deity interacts with the other Dwarven deities, or how Dwarves view its followers and clerics? Who plays the deity when it interacts with your PC e.g. when you cast [I]Commune[/I]? So what happens if someone else wants to play a cleric to this deity? Are they now bound to your vision of it; or in other words, is this deity in effect now just an extension of your specific PC? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
What DM flaw has caused you to actually leave a game?
Top