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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7510911" data-attributes="member: 23751">It is true.&nbsp; I specified edition for a reason.&nbsp; The first edition is, well, 1e and the last edition is 5e.&nbsp; Basic isn't an edition.&nbsp; It's a different game of D&amp;D than ran prior to and concurrently with the editions.&nbsp; Even then, it did have gods, but you found out about them later.&nbsp; They were called Immortals and they had names like Zeus, Odin and Frey.No indication that they were close or distant?&nbsp; They had to personally come deliver high level spells!&nbsp; The Deities an Demigods also let the DM know that in the cases of transgression, the god would deliver anything from a warning, to having to do a quest, to denial of some spells and/or spell levels, to complete loss of spells.&nbsp; So you're wrong that there were no mechanics for taking spells away from misbebaving clerics.&nbsp; In 3e, the gods had avatars for you to meet as you walked around if they wanted to.So yes, the gods were close in those editions.&nbsp; Only 4e and those few exceptional settings like Eberron changed things.Doesn't need to be in the PHB.&nbsp; It's in the edition as I claimed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7510911, member: 23751"] It is true. I specified edition for a reason. The first edition is, well, 1e and the last edition is 5e. Basic isn't an edition. It's a different game of D&D than ran prior to and concurrently with the editions. Even then, it did have gods, but you found out about them later. They were called Immortals and they had names like Zeus, Odin and Frey. No indication that they were close or distant? They had to personally come deliver high level spells! The Deities an Demigods also let the DM know that in the cases of transgression, the god would deliver anything from a warning, to having to do a quest, to denial of some spells and/or spell levels, to complete loss of spells. So you're wrong that there were no mechanics for taking spells away from misbebaving clerics. In 3e, the gods had avatars for you to meet as you walked around if they wanted to. So yes, the gods were close in those editions. Only 4e and those few exceptional settings like Eberron changed things. Doesn't need to be in the PHB. It's in the edition as I claimed. [/QUOTE]

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