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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7512114" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Folks, you are not going to get anywhere with this discussion with [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION]. Not because anyone is being unreasonable, but, because you are fundamentally not speaking the same language. [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION] sees the rulebooks through the lens of 3e where anything that is not specifically stated is verboten. The rules are prescriptive, not descriptive. Thus, all clerics must be this, all barbarians must be that, and all urchins must be something else. </p><p></p><p>Now, to be honest, I disagree with this approach. 5e is pretty clearly not prescriptive, but, for anyone who cut their teeth on 3e I can totally see where they are coming from. 3e didn't work if you started trying to extrapolate from the rules. The whole King of RAW thing is very much a 3e approach to RPG's. And 5e has enough 3e DNA in there to actually work if you approach the game this way. It's not the way I personally would approach the game, but, it does work.</p><p></p><p>Running at this wall isn't going to get you anywhere. The baselines are just too different.</p><p></p><p>And:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fun should never, ever be damned. Again, this is a fundamental difference in approaches to gaming. The notion that anything should trump fun at the table is something I do not agree with. Realism, AFAIC, takes a VERY back seat to fun. Which, I think, rolls around to the basic disagreements we're having in this thread. To me, Backgrounding increases fun at the table, so, it's good. For others, it's stumbling into that whole "realism" thing and is bad.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7512114, member: 22779"] Folks, you are not going to get anywhere with this discussion with [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION]. Not because anyone is being unreasonable, but, because you are fundamentally not speaking the same language. [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION] sees the rulebooks through the lens of 3e where anything that is not specifically stated is verboten. The rules are prescriptive, not descriptive. Thus, all clerics must be this, all barbarians must be that, and all urchins must be something else. Now, to be honest, I disagree with this approach. 5e is pretty clearly not prescriptive, but, for anyone who cut their teeth on 3e I can totally see where they are coming from. 3e didn't work if you started trying to extrapolate from the rules. The whole King of RAW thing is very much a 3e approach to RPG's. And 5e has enough 3e DNA in there to actually work if you approach the game this way. It's not the way I personally would approach the game, but, it does work. Running at this wall isn't going to get you anywhere. The baselines are just too different. And: Fun should never, ever be damned. Again, this is a fundamental difference in approaches to gaming. The notion that anything should trump fun at the table is something I do not agree with. Realism, AFAIC, takes a VERY back seat to fun. Which, I think, rolls around to the basic disagreements we're having in this thread. To me, Backgrounding increases fun at the table, so, it's good. For others, it's stumbling into that whole "realism" thing and is bad. [/QUOTE]
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