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<blockquote data-quote="TerraDave" data-source="post: 4013614" data-attributes="member: 22260">I have been doing a series of polls on &quot;the Best and Worst of 3rd edition&quot; (vote if you haven't!) and they lead to following question: do ENWorlder prefrences have any implication for 4th ed? Can they help explain any choices made? Should they? And more generally, what 3rd edition books influanced 4th edition, and what should. We know that many had early 4th ed content, but that is not exactly the same thing. (Just setting aside all those nagging objections about the poll, or ENWorlders...we may not be &quot;average&quot;, but we buy a lot of books, and, through or involvement, influance others...)From <a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?p=4013491#post4013491" target="_blank">this one, the Best of WotC</a>, the top 15 products so far--all of which did well on earlier polls--are (the # is % saying that they thought it was a good product):Player's Handbook II &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 60.64%Unearthed Arcana &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 57.45%Draconomicon&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 48.94%Spell Compendium &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 48.40%Magic Item Compendium &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 47.87%Complete Arcane &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 44.68%Eberron Campaign Setting &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 43.62%Lords of Madness: The Book of Aberrations &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 43.09%Complete Adventurer &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 42.55%Libris Mortis: The Book of Undead &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 42.02%Complete Warrior &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 41.49%Expanded Psionics Handbook &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 38.30%Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 38.30%Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 36.17%Dungeon Master’s Guide II &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 35.11%There are the obvious conclusions: The PHBII, DMGII, Eberon and Forgotten Realms are all here, and we will see all those in 4th ed. Psionics is here, and it has been promised. Complete Arcane is here, and we've got the Warlock and more importantly &quot;at will&quot; magic has had a huge impact. The Complete Warrior and PHB II (still) are here, and more options for fighters has also been a big focus of 4th edition. Magic Item Compendium is here, and it was also supposed to be a big influance. We will see a 4thed Compendium at the end of this year, or early next year. What about the less obvious? Themed monster books. These are really popular, at least with poll answerers. For 4th ed, they blew up monsters and started over. We know that of course there are dragons, demons, devils, undead and aberations, they have gotten a lot of attention in the previews.&nbsp; But how much of the flavour, or crunch from those books will be retained? And there is Unearthed Arcana. I guess it is a sign that people were open to doing things differently. It did have some kinda sorta 4th ed stuff, like recharge magic and I think some reserve or other easier to heal rules. But will 4th ed really be that open to alt rules. But enough from me. What books did you think influanced 4th ed and what should?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TerraDave, post: 4013614, member: 22260"] I have been doing a series of polls on "the Best and Worst of 3rd edition" (vote if you haven't!) and they lead to following question: do ENWorlder prefrences have any implication for 4th ed? Can they help explain any choices made? Should they? And more generally, what 3rd edition books influanced 4th edition, and what should. We know that many had early 4th ed content, but that is not exactly the same thing. (Just setting aside all those nagging objections about the poll, or ENWorlders...we may not be "average", but we buy a lot of books, and, through or involvement, influance others...) From [URL=http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?p=4013491#post4013491]this one, the Best of WotC[/URL], the top 15 products so far--all of which did well on earlier polls--are (the # is % saying that they thought it was a good product): [B]Player's Handbook II [/B] 60.64% [B]Unearthed Arcana [/B] 57.45% [B]Draconomicon[/B] 48.94% [B]Spell Compendium [/B] 48.40% [B]Magic Item Compendium [/B] 47.87% [B]Complete Arcane [/B] 44.68% [B]Eberron Campaign Setting [/B] 43.62% [B]Lords of Madness: The Book of Aberrations [/B] 43.09% [B]Complete Adventurer [/B] 42.55% [B]Libris Mortis: The Book of Undead [/B] 42.02% [B]Complete Warrior [/B] 41.49% [B]Expanded Psionics Handbook [/B] 38.30% [B]Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss [/B] 38.30% [B]Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting [/B] 36.17% [B]Dungeon Master’s Guide II [/B] 35.11% [U]There are the obvious conclusions: [/U] The [I]PHBII, DMGII, Eberon [/I] and [I]Forgotten Realms[/I] are all here, and we will see all those in 4th ed. Psionics is here, and it has been promised. [I]Complete Arcane [/I] is here, and we've got the Warlock and more importantly "at will" magic has had a huge impact. The [I]Complete Warrior [/I] and [I]PHB II [/I] (still) are here, and more options for fighters has also been a big focus of 4th edition. [I]Magic Item Compendium [/I] is here, and it was also supposed to be a big influance. We will see a 4thed Compendium at the end of this year, or early next year. [U]What about the less obvious?[/U] Themed monster books. These are [I]really[/I] popular, at least with poll answerers. For 4th ed, they blew up monsters and started over. We know that of course there are dragons, demons, devils, undead and aberations, they have gotten a lot of attention in the previews. But how much of the flavour, or crunch from those books will be retained? And there is [I]Unearthed Arcana[/I]. I guess it is a sign that people were open to doing things differently. It did have some kinda sorta 4th ed stuff, like recharge magic and I think some reserve or other easier to heal rules. But will 4th ed really be that open to alt rules. But enough from me. What books did you think influanced 4th ed and what should? [/QUOTE]

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