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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Black Kestrel" data-source="post: 3075483" data-attributes="member: 4903">I haven't fooled around with reducing the cost of armor at all. DwelleroftheDeeps' suggetion makes perfect sense. I'm interested in why you think Armor is too expensive. I find that Armor rarely takes the lion share of MP when designing a mech in d20 Mecha, its usually the movement speed that gobbles up MP (of course lately I've been doing starships with realistic space movement and a lot BP which could be skewing my view right now). I've attached a spreadsheet comparing the Manticore from d20 Future and the Hunter from Dream Pod 9's Heavy Gear d20. They are roughly matched in MP cost/Purchase DC. Both are statted out using d20 Mecha and the conversion guidelines I've worked out from d20 Future to d20 Mecha. The Manticore is definitely in the tough ablative ala the Battletech example above. The Hunter falls under realistic(relatively speaking), military mecha category. Crititque, compare and question away.</blockquote>