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<blockquote data-quote="Olaf the Stout" data-source="post: 3158927" data-attributes="member: 13703"><p>Ok, I now have a situation with the group in regards to <a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=176730" target="_blank">this</a> character (Cornealius/Vargus), and I can't say that I didn't see it coming. In fact I almost expected something like this would happen but thought that the character concept was cool enough to just go with it and deal with the situation if and when it did happen.</p><p></p><p>For those of you that haven't and don't want to read the other post, here is a quick rundown of the character in question:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now for the problem. One of my other players has brought up the fact that, as he sees it, Vargus/Cornealius is effectively a multiclass character that is levelling up in both classes at the same. This means that Vargus/Cornealius' player is basically getting twice the XP as everyone else. He thinks that is unfair to everyone else (and I can see his point).</p><p></p><p>So the question now is how do I resolve the issue? This has just come up via an e-mail in between sessions. I plan to get the whole group to discuss the situation at the start of the next session (this Wednesday) and get it sorted out one way or the other.</p><p></p><p>The way I see things is that, while Vargus/Cornealius' player basically has 2 separate characters, he can still only play one of them at any point in time. They share the same hit points in that any that Cornealius has lost when he was in control is subtracted from Vargus' total and vice versa. He is also limited in when he can change between the 2 characters. Vargus can only come out when Cornealius becomes stressed. (Vargus makes a Will save to try and take over. Over time he will get bonuses to that Will save as he gets better at exerting his will.) The player also gave himself another disagvantage in that Vargus hates magic, especially arcane magic, and therefore will try and get rid of anything magical he has on himself once he takes over.</p><p></p><p>Of course the counter argument to that is that it is a restriction the player has put onto the character himself. If he wants to do that, that's his choice but it still doesn't change the fact that he's basically playing a full strength barbarian/rogue as well as a full strength caster. He is choosing to enforce those restrictions on himself and therefore shouldn't get the advantages of basically playing 2 characters when everyone else just has one.</p><p></p><p>In terms of power I see it as Vargus/Cornealius (in the one body) being weaker than if they were 2 characters in 2 separate bodies, but stronger than most normal single class characters. He is stronger in that he could cast spells as good as any other caster as Cornealius (a Sorcerer), then change into Vargus (a Barbarian/Rogue) and fight as good as any front-line fighter.</p><p></p><p>I have worked with the player to try and ensure that he doesn't overshadow the other players and so far it has worked really well in that regard. Cornealius, as befitting a cowardly-type sorcerer has mainly utility spells in the first 2 spell levels. In fact, <em>Daze</em> is the only spell he has that could really use against someone in combat.</p><p></p><p>He also has the disadvantage in that Cornealius doesn't wear armour. Vargus takes control when Cornealius get too stressed. Quite often the "stressful situation" is combat. This means that for the first combat, Vargus is basically unarmoured or, at best, benefitting from <em>Mage Armour</em>. As you can imagine this makes him rather easy to hit.</p><p></p><p>So what are your thoughts? How would you deal with the situation? Any suggestions for how to resolve this?</p><p></p><p>Olaf the Stout</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Olaf the Stout, post: 3158927, member: 13703"] Ok, I now have a situation with the group in regards to [URL=http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=176730]this[/URL] character (Cornealius/Vargus), and I can't say that I didn't see it coming. In fact I almost expected something like this would happen but thought that the character concept was cool enough to just go with it and deal with the situation if and when it did happen. For those of you that haven't and don't want to read the other post, here is a quick rundown of the character in question: Now for the problem. One of my other players has brought up the fact that, as he sees it, Vargus/Cornealius is effectively a multiclass character that is levelling up in both classes at the same. This means that Vargus/Cornealius' player is basically getting twice the XP as everyone else. He thinks that is unfair to everyone else (and I can see his point). So the question now is how do I resolve the issue? This has just come up via an e-mail in between sessions. I plan to get the whole group to discuss the situation at the start of the next session (this Wednesday) and get it sorted out one way or the other. The way I see things is that, while Vargus/Cornealius' player basically has 2 separate characters, he can still only play one of them at any point in time. They share the same hit points in that any that Cornealius has lost when he was in control is subtracted from Vargus' total and vice versa. He is also limited in when he can change between the 2 characters. Vargus can only come out when Cornealius becomes stressed. (Vargus makes a Will save to try and take over. Over time he will get bonuses to that Will save as he gets better at exerting his will.) The player also gave himself another disagvantage in that Vargus hates magic, especially arcane magic, and therefore will try and get rid of anything magical he has on himself once he takes over. Of course the counter argument to that is that it is a restriction the player has put onto the character himself. If he wants to do that, that's his choice but it still doesn't change the fact that he's basically playing a full strength barbarian/rogue as well as a full strength caster. He is choosing to enforce those restrictions on himself and therefore shouldn't get the advantages of basically playing 2 characters when everyone else just has one. In terms of power I see it as Vargus/Cornealius (in the one body) being weaker than if they were 2 characters in 2 separate bodies, but stronger than most normal single class characters. He is stronger in that he could cast spells as good as any other caster as Cornealius (a Sorcerer), then change into Vargus (a Barbarian/Rogue) and fight as good as any front-line fighter. I have worked with the player to try and ensure that he doesn't overshadow the other players and so far it has worked really well in that regard. Cornealius, as befitting a cowardly-type sorcerer has mainly utility spells in the first 2 spell levels. In fact, [I]Daze[/I] is the only spell he has that could really use against someone in combat. He also has the disadvantage in that Cornealius doesn't wear armour. Vargus takes control when Cornealius get too stressed. Quite often the "stressful situation" is combat. This means that for the first combat, Vargus is basically unarmoured or, at best, benefitting from [I]Mage Armour[/I]. As you can imagine this makes him rather easy to hit. So what are your thoughts? How would you deal with the situation? Any suggestions for how to resolve this? Olaf the Stout [/QUOTE]
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