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<blockquote data-quote="Bayushi Seikuro" data-source="post: 3484578" data-attributes="member: 23328"><p>Just my two cents again.</p><p></p><p>I am glad that it seems, for the most part, the flames and fire are dying down. </p><p></p><p>Doesn't make the sense of loss less, for some.</p><p></p><p>Here's my thoughts, though.</p><p></p><p>Let's hope, for better or worse, this will work, and that there will be print things again. It's highly unlikely. As a friend pointed out, once people realized that collectible card games could be nearly pure profit, it seems a game of every kind was available. So, wood/paper/cardstock became more expensive.</p><p></p><p>Maybe if there hadn't been such a TCG glut paper stock wouldn't be as 'unfeasible' to accountants. Or maybe if there hadn't been a gold-rush mentality when the OGL came out - where there seemed to be so many ... well, not as high quality products as there remains now... maybe if that rush hadn't happened, it (cancelling Dragon) wouldn't have been seen as a either-or situation.</p><p></p><p>I do agree that a decent amount of lead-up with less emotional words would have done wonders. Yes, saying 'D&D moving to next step in evolution!' is much more positive and less prone to cause emotional reactions than 'Paizo to lose liscense to print Dungeon/Dragon mags'. </p><p></p><p>One thing I've learned in retail and sales is to play with positives. If someone comes in to look at products, and they say they're unlikely to buy because they always buy from XYZ store, but they thought they'd give you a chance, you don't bash XYZ store. It's their favorite, any slight would seem a personal attack almost on their opinion. You start by commenting on positive things they do, and how those are services you also offer, but then you slide into the sales pitch.</p><p></p><p>If I were to have to pitch DI - not knowing anything about it now, but assuming I knew more - I'd be sure that I made it clear that I've always loved Dragon magazine - which is true; although not a subscriber, I pick up the various issues that interest me. My pitch would compare what Dragon offers that DI will also offer, and then go into what it will also offer in addition -- let's say, like, weekly updates compiled into a monthly digest form.</p><p> </p><p>My two cents boil down to the fact that Dragon/Dungeon need to be more profitable or also help build the community. </p><p></p><p>I do not feel, in my opinion, that Dragon has, over the past few years I've been on enworld, been competing with 3rd party material. It's been competing with the people I've met on ENworld. People who, for free, will give me opinions and discussions and relatively real-time updates or material for my game. </p><p></p><p>To me, a paper magazine, as awesome as it is, and how much I love it, cannot offer that. </p><p></p><p>Okay, nuff rambling. I am glad people have said their peace and that it seems to be settling down a bit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bayushi Seikuro, post: 3484578, member: 23328"] Just my two cents again. I am glad that it seems, for the most part, the flames and fire are dying down. Doesn't make the sense of loss less, for some. Here's my thoughts, though. Let's hope, for better or worse, this will work, and that there will be print things again. It's highly unlikely. As a friend pointed out, once people realized that collectible card games could be nearly pure profit, it seems a game of every kind was available. So, wood/paper/cardstock became more expensive. Maybe if there hadn't been such a TCG glut paper stock wouldn't be as 'unfeasible' to accountants. Or maybe if there hadn't been a gold-rush mentality when the OGL came out - where there seemed to be so many ... well, not as high quality products as there remains now... maybe if that rush hadn't happened, it (cancelling Dragon) wouldn't have been seen as a either-or situation. I do agree that a decent amount of lead-up with less emotional words would have done wonders. Yes, saying 'D&D moving to next step in evolution!' is much more positive and less prone to cause emotional reactions than 'Paizo to lose liscense to print Dungeon/Dragon mags'. One thing I've learned in retail and sales is to play with positives. If someone comes in to look at products, and they say they're unlikely to buy because they always buy from XYZ store, but they thought they'd give you a chance, you don't bash XYZ store. It's their favorite, any slight would seem a personal attack almost on their opinion. You start by commenting on positive things they do, and how those are services you also offer, but then you slide into the sales pitch. If I were to have to pitch DI - not knowing anything about it now, but assuming I knew more - I'd be sure that I made it clear that I've always loved Dragon magazine - which is true; although not a subscriber, I pick up the various issues that interest me. My pitch would compare what Dragon offers that DI will also offer, and then go into what it will also offer in addition -- let's say, like, weekly updates compiled into a monthly digest form. My two cents boil down to the fact that Dragon/Dungeon need to be more profitable or also help build the community. I do not feel, in my opinion, that Dragon has, over the past few years I've been on enworld, been competing with 3rd party material. It's been competing with the people I've met on ENworld. People who, for free, will give me opinions and discussions and relatively real-time updates or material for my game. To me, a paper magazine, as awesome as it is, and how much I love it, cannot offer that. Okay, nuff rambling. I am glad people have said their peace and that it seems to be settling down a bit. [/QUOTE]
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