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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 5823376" data-attributes="member: 32164">It's not "realism," so much as being genre-appropriate. If you decide that every character who is capable with a bow is a ranger, then what's a fighter? Certainly, any character who shows off stealth or wilderness survival skills must also be a ranger. What that means is that the only characters left to be rangers are the heavy-armored meatshields. But are you okay with this list:Because Hercules is almost as famous for his skill with the bow as he is for his great strength, he must be a ranger. HERCULES!Because Conan never goes berzerk (ergo not a barbarian), possesses wilderness survival skills, and doesn't wear heavy armor, he must be a ranger (scout).Fafhrd is a Conan clone who is also an excellent shot with a longbow, ergo he's a ranger (scout).Lan? Clearly, he's a scout too.Robin Hood? Duh, but probably a Hunter.Little John? Well, despite his rather prodigious strength and being the archetypal tough guy, John doesn't wear armor and can use a bow almost as well as Robin, ergo he too is a ranger. Scout or hunter is up for debate.Legolas? He uses a bow, so obviously he must be a ranger - hunter probably.Aragorn's probably a Scout.And on, and on, and on. I guess Gimli the dwarf and his clansmen from The Hobbit might be fighters.It seems that you're fine with a definition of "fighter = heavy melee class." I, and many others, are not.Yeah. That's one of the design decisions of 4e that makes no sense to me. But I'm also bothered by the notion that the only character who can bea  fighter is:Hero who wears heavy armor, has no stealth or survival skills, and only fights with melee and hurled weapons.That kind of distinction means that 90% of the fighter heroes in fantasy fiction aren't actually fighters, but rangers. No wonder WotC is having trouble with the fighter class, they've defined it so narrowly that no character in fiction can be a single class fighter.And that's just dumb.</blockquote>

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