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<blockquote data-quote="TheGogmagog" data-source="post: 3483310" data-attributes="member: 27702">I was going to comment on that to, but must have edited it out.&nbsp; I used to use that note about skill checks to rule that a wizard (Elven or with a ring of sustenance) couldn't spend his waking hours on watch.&nbsp; Now, I'm thinking that might be ridiculous for opposed checks.No movement, no conversation, no mental task.&nbsp; That's one vacant state.&nbsp; If He's meditating, can he choose not to make spot/listen checks?&nbsp; Can he choose not to make a listen check and continue to sleep?&nbsp; Would someone trying not to make checks, still need to make some type of passive check at some penalty, or without ranks if something conspicuous occurs.The alternative is house-ruling the sleep requirements to no Str/Dex/Con skills.&nbsp; This would let a spellcaster serve on watch the rest of the night.The DM does ad-hock things to make the game move along or it might be part of the story (module).&nbsp; I'm fine with changing things for these reasons.&nbsp; But I am curious what the actual rules are either for future reference, or in case the DM's just shooting from the hip.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheGogmagog, post: 3483310, member: 27702"] I was going to comment on that to, but must have edited it out. I used to use that note about skill checks to rule that a wizard (Elven or with a ring of sustenance) couldn't spend his waking hours on watch. Now, I'm thinking that might be ridiculous for opposed checks. No movement, no conversation, no mental task. That's one vacant state. If He's meditating, can he choose not to make spot/listen checks? Can he choose not to make a listen check and continue to sleep? Would someone trying not to make checks, still need to make some type of passive check at some penalty, or without ranks if something conspicuous occurs. The alternative is house-ruling the sleep requirements to no Str/Dex/Con skills. This would let a spellcaster serve on watch the rest of the night. The DM does ad-hock things to make the game move along or it might be part of the story (module). I'm fine with changing things for these reasons. But I am curious what the actual rules are either for future reference, or in case the DM's just shooting from the hip. [/QUOTE]

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