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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5443581" data-attributes="member: 4937">No, you don't.  And, I'm not going to be responcible for your education.  There is too much to teach.  But you can start by going into a classical (eastern) martial arts class for a few weeks, and then going into a good Jeet Kune Do class for a weeks and comparing the two.  Then, go to a fencing or boxing class for a few weeks to see where the difference between the two comes from.Yes, I have, you just aren't listening.  But to begin with, this is bigger topic than in the part you were quoting.  All I was trying to do was point to the Vancian parallel between the Warblades manuevers and spells:"You can ready all three of the maneuvers you know at 1st level, but as you advance in level and learn more maneuvers, you must choose which maneuvers to ready. You ready your maneuvers by exercising for 5 minutes. The maneuvers you choose remain readied until you decide to exercise again and change them. You need not sleep or rest for any long period of time to ready your maneuvers; any time you spend 5 minutes in practice, you can change your readied maneuvers."That's from the Warblade, not the Swordsage.  And that, colored how you like it, is magic.  Then also, consider yet this other magical parallel:"Upon reaching 4th level, and at every even-numbered warblade level after that (6th, 8th, 10th, and so on), you can choose to learn a new maneuver in place of one you already know. In effect, you lose the old maneuver in exchange for the new one. You can choose a new maneuver of any level you like, as long as you observe your restriction on the highest-level maneuvers you know; you need not replace the old maneuver with a maneuver of the same level. For example, upon reaching 10th level, you could trade in a single 1st-, 2nd-, 3rd- or 4th-level maneuver for a maneuver of 5th level or lower, as long as you meet the prerequisite of the new maneuver. You can swap only a single maneuver at any given level."Now, you can try to color that as non-magical, but doing so produces wierd unrealisms that you have to pointedly ignore - like master swordsman somehow forgetting how to perform their more basic techniques.  Even the whole idea of 'levelling up' your manuevers by replacing more basic techniques with more advanced and more effective ones is magical and well, therefore, eastern.   I mean, if you get away from late 19th century or early 20th century Eastern martial arts like akaido, shoot fighting, taikwando, judo, etc. that have been influenced by Western thinking, you find pretty much all of them are magical systems.   For example, do some research on the history of the Boxer Rebellion.  The Warblade might as well be called a Swordmage.  I don't know why you mentioned "Iron Heart Surge" as contriversial; is it just because its good and addresses a real fighter need?  I don't know, but it doesn't seem magical to me.  It's not hard though to find examples nearby even under the lower level spells.   For example, "Exorcism of Steel" is described as: "You attack, striking not your foe, but his weapon, sending a shockwave up his arm that leaves him unable to strike with full force."  Now, you don't have to have had much martial arts experience to recognize that description - that's Chi.  And the whole name 'Exorcism of Steel' is a description harking to a magical rite.Look, I'm not going to go into this in as much depth as I have in the past, because I know you don't want to be educated.  So why should I bother?</blockquote>

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