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What do you consider the quintessential knight in shinning armor?
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<blockquote data-quote="hong" data-source="post: 182136" data-attributes="member: 537"><p>All that means is that the paladin class, as written up in 3E, has a spiritual side to it. It doesn't have to mean organised religion, any more than druids, rangers and shamans (from OA) have to be members of an organised religion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, you have a problem here. As mentioned in the cleric skill points thread and elsewhere, being a crusader is basically the cleric's schtick. You can use it to portray a generic priest (because of lack of any suitable alternative, perhaps), but the class features are really those of a character who spends time in the field, not a cloister. This is another reason why I think the paladin needs a dimension beyond merely being a holy warrior or crusader -- it's not a good thing to have classes stealing each other's schticks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Interestingly, I thought Yu from the same movie (Michelle Yeoh's character) was a better fit to the paladin role than Li Mu Bai. Li is basically fighting for honour: to avenge his dead master, and to find someone to teach the secrets of Wudan. He's a great and famous _fighter_, perhaps, but that's not quite the same as being a paladin.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, perhaps it seems obvious with hindsight <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> but Saladin had the means to massacre everyone in the city. It would also have been easy to discount the threats to kill all the Muslims, and if that indeed happened, simply blame their deaths on the Christians. This sort of reasoning goes on all the time, even today.</p><p></p><p>The fact remains that he wasn't quite as bloodthirsty as other conquering armies in the area had been. Given the standards of the time, if "praiseworthy" isn't exactly the right word, it still would have been a welcome change.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hong, post: 182136, member: 537"] All that means is that the paladin class, as written up in 3E, has a spiritual side to it. It doesn't have to mean organised religion, any more than druids, rangers and shamans (from OA) have to be members of an organised religion. Yep. Ah, you have a problem here. As mentioned in the cleric skill points thread and elsewhere, being a crusader is basically the cleric's schtick. You can use it to portray a generic priest (because of lack of any suitable alternative, perhaps), but the class features are really those of a character who spends time in the field, not a cloister. This is another reason why I think the paladin needs a dimension beyond merely being a holy warrior or crusader -- it's not a good thing to have classes stealing each other's schticks. Interestingly, I thought Yu from the same movie (Michelle Yeoh's character) was a better fit to the paladin role than Li Mu Bai. Li is basically fighting for honour: to avenge his dead master, and to find someone to teach the secrets of Wudan. He's a great and famous _fighter_, perhaps, but that's not quite the same as being a paladin. Well, perhaps it seems obvious with hindsight :) but Saladin had the means to massacre everyone in the city. It would also have been easy to discount the threats to kill all the Muslims, and if that indeed happened, simply blame their deaths on the Christians. This sort of reasoning goes on all the time, even today. The fact remains that he wasn't quite as bloodthirsty as other conquering armies in the area had been. Given the standards of the time, if "praiseworthy" isn't exactly the right word, it still would have been a welcome change. [/QUOTE]
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