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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6787294" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>they don't work at McDonalds... they are and have been for a year the only people who can stop the bad guys from killing everyone they know and love... if they don't want to save the world, then the world will not be saved I don't understand the discount.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>for how long? what happens when Hec tor Kar comes a knocking and there is no one to stop him?</p><p></p><p></p><p> well because there are races that don't make sense? there are no drow in dark sun... there are no clerics in dark sun...</p><p></p><p> well the one that is most restrictive wasn't made by me...</p><p></p><p> dark sun is the one with house ruled preserve/defiler...</p><p></p><p></p><p> those are the backgrounds they wrote...</p><p></p><p> I don't get you I make the world they write the background... </p><p></p><p> yup... I quit... I let them choose the damn plot, I let them make up characters, half of those plot/worlds are based on what they want and ask for and I still end up being told "Hey that thing I asked for...why did you give it to me..."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't say that... he did. What I did was congragulate them on not falling for the trap (they circumvented it) then explained what happened and told the player here "Hey you can roll investigate to get the whole story" then when he passed explained "The guy donesn't trust magic, but might of arms you bet it's in his bed room right now."</p><p> I spend $60 a year keeping a wiki up with foarm just for us to talk gameing. I end every Tuesday night with quastions about what they liked and didn't, and what they think in and out of game is going on... </p><p></p><p>but I give up the fact is that I can't keep running a game that even after it is PC requested plot, PC requested sub plot and a list of them voted by PCs witch one to do, then refit by PC backgrounds I am still told the PC had no agency in this...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" 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[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6787294, member: 67338"] they don't work at McDonalds... they are and have been for a year the only people who can stop the bad guys from killing everyone they know and love... if they don't want to save the world, then the world will not be saved I don't understand the discount. for how long? what happens when Hec tor Kar comes a knocking and there is no one to stop him? well because there are races that don't make sense? there are no drow in dark sun... there are no clerics in dark sun... well the one that is most restrictive wasn't made by me... dark sun is the one with house ruled preserve/defiler... those are the backgrounds they wrote... I don't get you I make the world they write the background... yup... I quit... I let them choose the damn plot, I let them make up characters, half of those plot/worlds are based on what they want and ask for and I still end up being told "Hey that thing I asked for...why did you give it to me..." I didn't say that... he did. What I did was congragulate them on not falling for the trap (they circumvented it) then explained what happened and told the player here "Hey you can roll investigate to get the whole story" then when he passed explained "The guy donesn't trust magic, but might of arms you bet it's in his bed room right now." I spend $60 a year keeping a wiki up with foarm just for us to talk gameing. I end every Tuesday night with quastions about what they liked and didn't, and what they think in and out of game is going on... but I give up the fact is that I can't keep running a game that even after it is PC requested plot, PC requested sub plot and a list of them voted by PCs witch one to do, then refit by PC backgrounds I am still told the PC had no agency in this...:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::erm: :.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-(:.-( :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: [/QUOTE]
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