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what do you do with high strength base attack bonuses?
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<blockquote data-quote="Melkantur" data-source="post: 866223" data-attributes="member: 11764"><p>i don't know Firelance.</p><p></p><p>while there is some rhyme and reason to your remark I disagree on 2 levels.</p><p></p><p>First, equating strength and dexterity isn't perfect.</p><p></p><p>yes they match up in bonus number (unlike 2nd ed) but ... with the exception of dodge (a feat few take?) strength and the numerous attack bonuses will prevail.</p><p></p><p>people aren't going to match up to a strong bear.</p><p></p><p>here's why:</p><p>who has a 30 dex? no one, not even a 20th level rogue unless he started tiefling and has gloves of dex 6. Hardly the man we're talking about in a CR 7 bear encounter.</p><p></p><p>Fighters wear armor, usually with a very low max dex bonus.</p><p>Comparable fighter: Full Plate and +1 shield, ring of prot +1 ..23 AC ish. bear hit's around 75% of time and despite platemail, there's no DR (system flaw?) but the 2 handed weapon wielder is SOL at AC 20.</p><p></p><p>anyway, the pre-3.5 solution was of course that everyone has a level of Sorcerer and throws up the unnamed +7 shield bonus SHIELD spell and then the bear only hits 50% <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>no, all this said, you throw on a Stoneskin and just accept that the fighter is gonna take a couple hard hits and that the cleric will heal him. I don't think it merits system change but we'll see what happens in 3.5, the Barbarian for instance gets more DR and faster (@lower levels) so should be interesting.</p><p></p><p>you'll always find challenges that the party simply can't handle and one or 2 bad die rolls for PCs and a good one for the monster and it's a slaughter. I had a group have to fight 2 displacer beasts. TPK, no one could hit, and if they did, failed miss chance, beasts hit and hit and hit. nothing to do, they had reach. They aren't CR 20 <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> sometimes it's about balance, but it's not Baldur's Gate on the PC where you can save, reload and put on your stoneskin, haste, and emotion hope and do the battle again. </p><p></p><p>good ole True Strike...</p><p>sorry so long</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Melkantur, post: 866223, member: 11764"] i don't know Firelance. while there is some rhyme and reason to your remark I disagree on 2 levels. First, equating strength and dexterity isn't perfect. yes they match up in bonus number (unlike 2nd ed) but ... with the exception of dodge (a feat few take?) strength and the numerous attack bonuses will prevail. people aren't going to match up to a strong bear. here's why: who has a 30 dex? no one, not even a 20th level rogue unless he started tiefling and has gloves of dex 6. Hardly the man we're talking about in a CR 7 bear encounter. Fighters wear armor, usually with a very low max dex bonus. Comparable fighter: Full Plate and +1 shield, ring of prot +1 ..23 AC ish. bear hit's around 75% of time and despite platemail, there's no DR (system flaw?) but the 2 handed weapon wielder is SOL at AC 20. anyway, the pre-3.5 solution was of course that everyone has a level of Sorcerer and throws up the unnamed +7 shield bonus SHIELD spell and then the bear only hits 50% :) no, all this said, you throw on a Stoneskin and just accept that the fighter is gonna take a couple hard hits and that the cleric will heal him. I don't think it merits system change but we'll see what happens in 3.5, the Barbarian for instance gets more DR and faster (@lower levels) so should be interesting. you'll always find challenges that the party simply can't handle and one or 2 bad die rolls for PCs and a good one for the monster and it's a slaughter. I had a group have to fight 2 displacer beasts. TPK, no one could hit, and if they did, failed miss chance, beasts hit and hit and hit. nothing to do, they had reach. They aren't CR 20 :) sometimes it's about balance, but it's not Baldur's Gate on the PC where you can save, reload and put on your stoneskin, haste, and emotion hope and do the battle again. good ole True Strike... sorry so long [/QUOTE]
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