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Message: <blockquote data-quote="johncolossus" data-source="post: 867856" data-attributes="member: 2252">Thanks guys.So can I presume nobody has changed their system. I am meeting my people tonight and obviously this will come up. I have to say that I do not really want to change the system but i can see my sensible player's points and this is something they thought was somewhat flawed. I agree that DR for armour would add a different flavour and we have discussed this. The points that Firelance makes are fair aswell and this was one of the arguements i put forward about using tactics other than charging in to melee with a 20 foot tall muscled bear! Then when they get hit and gutted it is not entirely surprising. However the main melee combatant only focuses on hand to hand combat....diversify I suggested?! That is why the way they defeated it was using the combined magic of the cleric and sorceror with a very good flanked attack from the rogue. I will perhaps try out a reduced to hit from strength for those with >20 values but obviously keep the same damage bonuses<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ! Thanks for your opinions...and if any more suggestions thoroughly appreciated!</blockquote>