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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4726062" data-attributes="member: 18280">Ummm.......When I am talking about fairness here, I am talking about fairness to the players.&nbsp; And the players get to choose which &quot;bat&quot; to use, in your version of the analogy.However......Just walked to the convenience store &amp; back, and I was thinking about Voadam's post.&nbsp; I am strongly inclined toward sandbox play, and strongly disinclined from AP-style play.&nbsp; (Side note:&nbsp; When and if Cubicle 7's Doctor Who RPG comes out, I'll see if it can change my mind!)&nbsp; If one was playing an AP, the idea of letting Joe start at level 1 and learn the system makes no sense at all; it only applies to games where there are multiple areas and (if lucky!) multiple PC groups of different levels/actual level of experience playing in it.Of course, no version of WotC-D&amp;D is, by RAW, anywhere near ideal for sandbox play (IMHO).&nbsp; Hence, the memes that support the sandbox paradigm might be dying out (or never have arisen) in some quarters.&nbsp; I was really hoping that 4e would actually flatten the power curve out some, and provide some support for the old sandbox.&nbsp; Even if I wasn't going to play it, it would have been nice to see those memes back in a D&amp;D product.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 4726062, member: 18280"] Ummm....... When I am talking about fairness here, I am talking about fairness to the [i][b]players[/b][/i][b][/b]. And the players get to choose which "bat" to use, in your version of the analogy. However...... Just walked to the convenience store & back, and I was thinking about [b]Voadam[/b]'s post. I am strongly inclined toward sandbox play, and strongly disinclined from AP-style play. (Side note: When and if Cubicle 7's [I]Doctor Who[/I] RPG comes out, I'll see if it can change my mind!) If one was playing an AP, the idea of letting Joe start at level 1 and learn the system makes no sense at all; it only applies to games where there are multiple areas and (if lucky!) multiple PC groups of different levels/actual level of experience playing in it. Of course, no version of WotC-D&D is, by RAW, anywhere near ideal for sandbox play (IMHO). Hence, the memes that support the sandbox paradigm might be dying out (or never have arisen) in some quarters. I was really hoping that 4e would actually flatten the power curve out some, and provide some support for the old sandbox. Even if I wasn't going to play it, it would have been nice to see those memes back in a D&D product. RC [/QUOTE]

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