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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 4733446" data-attributes="member: 2209">I'm much more of the view that as a group game I don't want PCs to be significantly out of the action for long periods of time.Fighting is as you say an important aspect of heroic fantasy and I will say IMO an important part of the game. I want all PCs involved in the combats.So I want balance in PC combat abilities.For example, I think it is a design flaw that 3e rogues biggest combat ability of sneak attack does not work against undead and constructs, the typical guardians of recently uncovered ancient dungeons and not uncommon typical D&D adversaries. It leads to a PC being marginalized in a common D&D scenario. I do not think the opportunity to shine on deactivating traps fixes the problem. This would be the same as a wizard would be in an anti-magic zone and a cleric would be in a plane cut off from divine magic.As an occasional situation dealing with such adversities would be a fine experience and challenge, but the more the marginalization happens the less competent and heroic the PC feels and therefore the less fun I feel it is for PCs.I still feel it is a design issue and not just a DM issue.Shadowrun designs in an opportunity for deckers and mages to thrive exclusively and shine through cyberspace and astral space. A DM can give the opportunities for these PCs to thrive by including elements of the adventure that can be solved through cyber or astral space. A PC can take the opportunity presented and thrive.This for me is not the ideal, it is a problem. While the decker is doing his cyber run, the rest of the PCs are not. They could be doing other things, in which case the DM is splitting his time, or they could wait for the decker to finish and rejoin the group. I like Shadowrun and its astral space concepts, but I do not like how the game design effectively leads to a group splitting for solo adventures.A DM and players can work around these problems, but they are inherent in the design and must be addressed if you don't want the problems of PCs being left on the sidelines for significant portions of the game.</blockquote>

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