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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4733564" data-attributes="member: 7635">To be honest, I do to.D&amp;D has tried all forms of &quot;balance&quot; at one form or another, what's unique about D&amp;D is that it does all three simultaneously. It tried to balance the ultimate power of a wizard (balance over time) with the niche-protection of a thief to the fighter as &quot;baseline&quot; (and clerics, well, they've never been balanced). At any given time, there was supposed to be a check. Sadly, as magic became more and more the &quot;go to&quot; guy in D&amp;D, magic began to rebuff these checks and overrule niche protection, creep down into lower levels (while maintaining the high-level BoT) and somehow throw bones to other classes to call it &quot;all sides equal&quot; balance. It never worked. No one here has argued that the fighter, cleric, rogue, and wizard were balanced. They've stated it didn't matter, that it balanced out in the long run, or that the DM could overcome this and balance the game himself, but no one can say to me (with a straight face) that the D&amp;D classes were balanced.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 4733564, member: 7635"] To be honest, I do to. D&D has tried all forms of "balance" at one form or another, what's unique about D&D is that it does all three simultaneously. It tried to balance the ultimate power of a wizard (balance over time) with the niche-protection of a thief to the fighter as "baseline" (and clerics, well, they've never been balanced). At any given time, there was supposed to be a check. Sadly, as magic became more and more the "go to" guy in D&D, magic began to rebuff these checks and overrule niche protection, creep down into lower levels (while maintaining the high-level BoT) and somehow throw bones to other classes to call it "all sides equal" balance. It never worked. No one here has argued that the fighter, cleric, rogue, and wizard were balanced. They've stated it didn't matter, that it balanced out in the long run, or that the DM could overcome this and balance the game himself, but no one can say to me (with a straight face) that the D&D classes were balanced. [/QUOTE]

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