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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9692214" data-attributes="member: 18">I think if there's one thing we can agree on re: 4E is that it made a lot of errors or misjudgements in how it presented stuff which lead to a lot more hate than the mechanics alone would have generated.I mean, one of the first things we learned saw about 4E was a video advert for it put out by WotC, that featured a narrator with the &quot;Smug European&quot; accent from the Simpsons basically dismissing previous editions of D&amp;D as inferior and old-fashioned, whilst also showing off software for 4E that literally didn't exist at time of launch and never did fully exist!It was like, what a calculated move to really intentionally piss off D&amp;D players look like? I think it'd look a lot like that. Combine with stuff like:A) A WotC guy (way above the D&amp;D team) saying he wanted D&amp;D to be &quot;like World of Warcraft&quot; (he meant as in &quot;many people are paying a monthly subscription&quot;, something 5E, ironically, has succeeded at via D&amp;D Beyond).B) The GSL fiasco.C) The Gnome video (which by itself was harmless, even cute, but in the context of the rest of this? Kinda toxic).D) The re-working of the Forgotten Realms.And it's actually amazing 4E did as well as it did!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9692214, member: 18"] I think if there's one thing we can agree on re: 4E is that it made a lot of errors or misjudgements in how it presented stuff which lead to a lot more hate than the mechanics alone would have generated. I mean, one of the first things we learned saw about 4E was a video advert for it put out by WotC, that featured a narrator with the "Smug European" accent from the Simpsons basically dismissing previous editions of D&D as inferior and old-fashioned, whilst also showing off software for 4E that literally didn't exist at time of launch and never did fully exist! It was like, what a calculated move to really intentionally piss off D&D players look like? I think it'd look a lot like that. Combine with stuff like: A) A WotC guy (way above the D&D team) saying he wanted D&D to be "like World of Warcraft" (he meant as in "many people are paying a monthly subscription", something 5E, ironically, has succeeded at via D&D Beyond). B) The GSL fiasco. C) The Gnome video (which by itself was harmless, even cute, but in the context of the rest of this? Kinda toxic). D) The re-working of the Forgotten Realms. And it's actually amazing 4E did as well as it did! [/QUOTE]

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