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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 4437912" data-attributes="member: 1106">See, this is why I have little common ground with the average FR fan.  Who cares about the gods?  They're the least important part of the setting, but people treat them as personal pets!  You'd think they were the only thing that mattered about FR, by the way people focus on them.  4E FR comes out and first thing people talk about...the gods.  Looking back, only thing talked about...the gods.  Stuff the gods, IMO.  They're irrelevant, most of the time.I thought that the 2E boxed set was really good, as well, by the way.  That Shadowdale book was much more helpful than reprinting Pages of the Mages and the School of Wizardry.  And I remember a lot more content in the bigger boxed set, too.  It may not have had parchment pages, but it was definitely not walked all over by the Grey Box either, IMO.  Maybe we're just into silver lining on the memories territory here.But one thing had changed by 2E FR, and that was that many other authors had tried their hand at the world, and some of the original "Greenwood vibe" was getting overwritten, or downplayed.  I think a lot of people, players and writers alike, never really got it in the first place.  That could be what you're talking about when you big up the Grey Box, but that's very different to whether some deity or other got in or not.</blockquote>