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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9843209" data-attributes="member: 87792">In all honesty you need to find better games. One of the things I look for in a game I'm considering for a campaign is whether there at least appears to be depth and I can see options that are non-trivial. And one of the other things I look for is whether actually engaging what's there would appear to snap the game by accident. To use 3.5 references I'm not worried about the Pun-Pun arrived at as a thought experiment; I'm worried about the thematic and accidentally found aggressively hegmonizing ursine swarm; the druid who turns into a bear with a bear companion who summons bears, any two of which can beat up the fighter or the wizard with the loose leaf ring binder full of home made spells and quiver full of wands. And seriously, one of the things I like about much post-Forge game design is that it's frequently obvious how to push things, but that doesn't so much put you on a road to ridiculous effortless power but takes you on a highway to hell where you learn through getting traumatised and either taking risks or failing. And risk-reward in an dynamic situation or test-your-luck is never trivial.</blockquote>