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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3765837" data-attributes="member: 4937">When starting out new players at 1st level, I always have them run two characters and tell them, &quot;Don't get attached too to a character until its been around a while.&nbsp; At this stage, its not clear who is a minor character and who is the protagonist.&quot;In 1st edition AD&amp;D, a typical campaign would winnow through maybe a dozen characters before getting them up into the 6th or 7th level range when they'd actually start becoming durable.&nbsp; By that time, even if they didn't start with a backstory, they now had one.In this case, what you are talking about isn't death per se.&nbsp; The problem is the classic failure of party cohesion.&nbsp; As a DM, I would never allow a party with such mixed goals to be formed without prior knowledge of the players, and even then I'd be wary.&nbsp; I've seen some very promising campaigns go down the tubes (and a few less promising ones) because the DM basically said, 'Make whatever you want'.&nbsp; You say that as a DM and too often you end up with an unplayable mess for protagonists, often even though you have good RPers for players and sometimes especially because you have good RPers for players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3765837, member: 4937"] When starting out new players at 1st level, I always have them run two characters and tell them, "Don't get attached too to a character until its been around a while. At this stage, its not clear who is a minor character and who is the protagonist." In 1st edition AD&D, a typical campaign would winnow through maybe a dozen characters before getting them up into the 6th or 7th level range when they'd actually start becoming durable. By that time, even if they didn't start with a backstory, they now had one. In this case, what you are talking about isn't death per se. The problem is the classic failure of party cohesion. As a DM, I would never allow a party with such mixed goals to be formed without prior knowledge of the players, and even then I'd be wary. I've seen some very promising campaigns go down the tubes (and a few less promising ones) because the DM basically said, 'Make whatever you want'. You say that as a DM and too often you end up with an unplayable mess for protagonists, often even though you have good RPers for players and sometimes especially because you have good RPers for players. [/QUOTE]

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