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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8678094" data-attributes="member: 20564"><p>For me, I need to include the D+ series as well because I think they are an important part of the tapestry that is getting woven.</p><p></p><p>I feel this is a bit like Phase I. I think we are all closest and most used to to Phase II -> Phase III with all of the interconnections and story building, and now we are stepping back to some stand-alones and new characters and plots. About half of what is getting put before us are introduction of "Not-Avengers", and the other half about "post-Avengers: where are they now".</p><p></p><p>Black Widow was ... weak. Especially the third Act. I see what they wanted to do. The stakes of all of those widows worldwide. They haven't sold it. They need more that Pugh to sell it, though she did an excellent job. David Harbor did a good job too with what he was given. It was a good vehicle to pass the torch - but it shouldn't have been; it should have been made a decade earlier.</p><p></p><p>WandaVision was fantastic, and a required bridge from Endgame to MoM. But it stands on it's own. That said, it you didn't like the framing it could be a real turn-off.</p><p></p><p>Eternals was a bit handicapped by the really long span they have been hear and not a single bit of foreshadowing elsewhere in Phases I-III. That will likely be a recurring issue when mutants and such are introduced, and already was with Inhumans.</p><p></p><p>Loki was very entertaining, but they missed the core aspect of him being a trickster - even with at the end trying to be worthy of trust, getting up to that point need to be full of effortlessly clever tricks and pranks, some "just because" and some filled with devilish cunning and long set-ups.</p><p></p><p>Spidey: Far from Home was quite good. I think that a little more time so we were in the "multiverse" mood and then the fake-out would have been even better.</p><p></p><p>Falcon and the Winter Soldier was more traditional MCU, well done, spending some effort on racism, introducing new players, and advancing the post-Avengers state of the MCU.</p><p></p><p>Shang-Chi was very enjoyable, Had some easter eggs and a post credits tie-in, but otherwise was just introducing. I echo the common complaint about too much big-CGI fight at end.</p><p></p><p>Hawkeye I greatly enjoyed. It was in some ways more standard Marvel-ly, like F&WS, but it also had a heck of a lot of heart in it. And humor that wasn't all snark. It was not a fantastic piece of television - but it was a very watchable piece of television that made me craving more after ever episode. It was the comfort food done right.</p><p></p><p>Moonknight was interesting to me. My wife didn't like it as much, and I generally just adored Oscar Isaac. Not sure how Marvel-ly it was.</p><p></p><p>Spidey: No Way Home ... I never saw the Andrew Garfield ones, the twist of the three Spideys was ruined by the internet, and frankly Spider-man: Into the Spider-verse already existed. Between those this had an uphill climb for me. It succeeded, I actually really liked it. But It was a battle. Doc Ock and Green Goblin were the two that pushed it into greatness for me. OMG Willem DeFoe.</p><p></p><p>Doc Strange II: Stranger Things was smaller then I expected. Smaller? The stakes weren't on the scale of some of the others. The deaths were plentiful and outdid the stakes. I liked seeing all the corrupt Docs, and the Illuminati (also ruined by the internet). But it felt like they spent big capital - like Wanda - on a movie that wasn't all that big in meaning, just in distance traveled. Still 7/10, but hey.</p><p></p><p>Ms. Marvel we are enjoying a lot. Lots of "Janus" -- time both in and out of the mask leading to who am I and who do I want to be. Spidey is a classic for that, and here it's shown well. It's the least time spent "doing heroics" of any of the shows about heroes, but I'm more than okay with that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blue, post: 8678094, member: 20564"] For me, I need to include the D+ series as well because I think they are an important part of the tapestry that is getting woven. I feel this is a bit like Phase I. I think we are all closest and most used to to Phase II -> Phase III with all of the interconnections and story building, and now we are stepping back to some stand-alones and new characters and plots. About half of what is getting put before us are introduction of "Not-Avengers", and the other half about "post-Avengers: where are they now". Black Widow was ... weak. Especially the third Act. I see what they wanted to do. The stakes of all of those widows worldwide. They haven't sold it. They need more that Pugh to sell it, though she did an excellent job. David Harbor did a good job too with what he was given. It was a good vehicle to pass the torch - but it shouldn't have been; it should have been made a decade earlier. WandaVision was fantastic, and a required bridge from Endgame to MoM. But it stands on it's own. That said, it you didn't like the framing it could be a real turn-off. Eternals was a bit handicapped by the really long span they have been hear and not a single bit of foreshadowing elsewhere in Phases I-III. That will likely be a recurring issue when mutants and such are introduced, and already was with Inhumans. Loki was very entertaining, but they missed the core aspect of him being a trickster - even with at the end trying to be worthy of trust, getting up to that point need to be full of effortlessly clever tricks and pranks, some "just because" and some filled with devilish cunning and long set-ups. Spidey: Far from Home was quite good. I think that a little more time so we were in the "multiverse" mood and then the fake-out would have been even better. Falcon and the Winter Soldier was more traditional MCU, well done, spending some effort on racism, introducing new players, and advancing the post-Avengers state of the MCU. Shang-Chi was very enjoyable, Had some easter eggs and a post credits tie-in, but otherwise was just introducing. I echo the common complaint about too much big-CGI fight at end. Hawkeye I greatly enjoyed. It was in some ways more standard Marvel-ly, like F&WS, but it also had a heck of a lot of heart in it. And humor that wasn't all snark. It was not a fantastic piece of television - but it was a very watchable piece of television that made me craving more after ever episode. It was the comfort food done right. Moonknight was interesting to me. My wife didn't like it as much, and I generally just adored Oscar Isaac. Not sure how Marvel-ly it was. Spidey: No Way Home ... I never saw the Andrew Garfield ones, the twist of the three Spideys was ruined by the internet, and frankly Spider-man: Into the Spider-verse already existed. Between those this had an uphill climb for me. It succeeded, I actually really liked it. But It was a battle. Doc Ock and Green Goblin were the two that pushed it into greatness for me. OMG Willem DeFoe. Doc Strange II: Stranger Things was smaller then I expected. Smaller? The stakes weren't on the scale of some of the others. The deaths were plentiful and outdid the stakes. I liked seeing all the corrupt Docs, and the Illuminati (also ruined by the internet). But it felt like they spent big capital - like Wanda - on a movie that wasn't all that big in meaning, just in distance traveled. Still 7/10, but hey. Ms. Marvel we are enjoying a lot. Lots of "Janus" -- time both in and out of the mask leading to who am I and who do I want to be. Spidey is a classic for that, and here it's shown well. It's the least time spent "doing heroics" of any of the shows about heroes, but I'm more than okay with that. [/QUOTE]
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