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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8678103" data-attributes="member: 5889">I would say the major difference between then and now is the bar has been raised. We now how high quality marvel movies can look like, Marvel has figured out the formula, so to me it becomes pretty obvious when they are going big versus phoning it in.Movies1) Black Widow: Terrible. Super generic, nothing interesting happens, terrible send off for ScarJo.2) Shang-Chi: To me probably the best of the movies so far, though still doesn't compare to phase 2/3 movies. But its quite a solid plot, and actual interesting villain, and a well put together origin story.3) Far from Home: Solid enough, decent action, decent plot, decent heart.4) Eternals: I appreciated the attempt at a more epic and dramatic movie, but it just didn't really land.5) No way Home: On first watch, its probably the best of the movies so far. Fun, intense, cool cameos. If you give it a reexamine though, the plot is REALLY thin (downright bonkers), and frankly is an insult to Dr Strange. Also this Peter Parker has never had issues with his morals, yet suddenly he needs the "Great Power/Great Responsibility" speech from Aunt May....nah doesn't really fit.6) MoM: Just mediocre, would like to have seen better for Wanda.Tv Shows:1) Wandavision: Cool, interesting, fresh.2) F/WS: About as generic and inoffensive as you can get.3) Loki: Its pretty terrible ultimately. Its weirdly the "most important" thing plotwise going on, as in everything else is secondary to its plot. I'm not a fan of infinitity stones in the drawer....wow, way to make every event that we have seen so far become absolutely meaningless. And the Loki we see on screen is not our Loki.4) Moon Knight: Really good, may be my favorite.5) Hawkeye: Surpringingly solid.6) Ms Marvel: I'm really enjoying it so far, we will see how it finishes.Ultimately the problem with Phase 4 is, it doesn't have the fresh magic of the Phase I movies (the Wow fact of seeing superheroes on screen and making it look good), and doesn't yet have an Avengeresque movie that gives us the awe of the combined cinematic universe. I really thought MoM was going to be that movie....and it really fell flat in that department.At the end of the day, we know that the superhero genre is going to get played out, just as every genre in movie history has, from westerns to alien movies, to zombies, etc. Its inevitable, and the question is....when its going to happen to marvel. Right now, I feel like we are getting there with Phase 4.</blockquote>

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