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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 908950" data-attributes="member: 957">OK, then I misunderstood you.  You said, "obviously doesn't satisfy the vast majority of people."  I took that to mean, as taken literally it states, that the vast majority of people were not satisified.  That is notably different then what you are saying now.  If you meant to say what you are now saying, then great.  No arguement on that point as far as this ENWorld poll is concerned.But I do hope you will give me the understanding that I was responding to what you said.  It can be tricky to get across what you really mean on a board sometimes.  So I'm glad you cleared it up.Your "some uses" seem to completely revolve around extended duration tasks.  I think that is exactly the fix this spell needed.  Who cast Bull's Strenght on Wesley in the movie?  You have now referenced that twice.  But I fail to remember the buffing scene.  To me, your examples make MY point.  The way I see it, Wesley can climb the cliff because he is so cool (and True Love).  You seem to be shackling Wesley to a cleric.  You assume that Sarge, the fighter, is not capable of carrying a friend away unless a cleric buffs him.  You assume that Tarzan the ranger can't endure the elements unless a cleric buffs him.BLEEHI want Wesley, Sarge and Tarzan to look to THEMSELVES for doing cool things.Making them dependent on A) a cleric and B) a small specific set of spells is not good, imo.There is no way to discuss ever variation that may have been implemented.  As I just indicated, expecting tough characters to rely on buff to do the things they are supposed to do is part of the dirty water that needs tossing.Also, the idea of spells that suddenly end because a fight started 6 rounds ago seems odd to me.  But that is beside the point.Like I said, why are fighter wimps that can't do mundane stuff without spells?Do you see how I perceive significantly different problems not addressed by your proposal?</blockquote>

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