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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mhacdebhandia" data-source="post: 3795846" data-attributes="member: 18832">Consider the change on its own terms, for a moment.1) Devils and demons, as categories of monster, are being overhauled. Devils are conceived of as primarily humanoid in appearance, demons are nonhumanoid.2) The succubus and erinyes are both humanoid, female fiends whose primary purpose is seduction of mortals.3) Devils are conceived of as laying plans to tempt and corrupt mortals in order to escape their prison, demons are conceived of as seeking to destroy anything and everything they can get their hands on - not necessarily mindlessly, but such is definitely their goal.4) "Seduction of mortals", while it can "destroy relationships" and the like, is primarily a method by which fiends can "tempt and corrupt".5) The name "succubus" is better associated with the idea of a fiend which seduces mortals than "erinyes", which has no such association outside of D&D's inaccurate history.6) Therefore, a succubus should be a humanoid female devil whose primary purpose is seduction of mortals.7) Therefore, the name "erinyes" can be released from this awkward and unmythological role and saved for a later creature which properly reflects the mythological spirit of vengeance.Yes? I don't think it's that hard to follow. What you are complaining about is that succubi and erinyes have always been demons and devils respectively, that you think they should remain that way even if it doesn't make sense according to the new schema, and that if it doesn't make sense according to the new schema it's the schema that should be dropped "just because it's traditional".Forgive me, but I have always loathed the idea of clinging to tradition for no better reason than that it is tradition.Besides, arguing that they should have kept the erinyes as a devil and reimagined her as a proper spirit of vengeance a) ignores that the succubus still doesn't make much sense and b) is just as much a betrayal of the traditional D&D erinyes as anything else. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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