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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Drammattex" data-source="post: 3796348" data-attributes="member: 55363">I really wish I could play under a great DM again.To me, demons and devils have been walking bags of hit points and powers that sit in the BBEG slot at the end of a video game. They bore me. If I had a DM who could handle them in a cool and interesting way, perhaps it would be different. IMO, the 4e take on demons and devils recasts them into interesting roles. Devils now come complete with a copy of "Paradise Lost" and gain a much more romantic aspect, while demons take notes from The Exorcist, H.P. Lovecraft, and The Dark Tower (if you've been following the recent mythology written on The Dark Tower, 4e demons seem very similar). On the romance of devils, here's a bit from the Paradise Lost Wikipedia entry: The protagonist of this epic is the fallen angel, Satan. Looked at from a modern perspective it may appear to some that Milton presents Satan sympathetically, as an ambitious and proud being who defies his creator, omnipotent God, and wages war on Heaven, only to be defeated and cast down. Indeed, William Blake, a great admirer of Milton and illustrator of the epic poem, said of Milton that "he was a true Poet, and of the Devil's party without knowing it."[1] Some critics regard the character of Lucifer as a precursor of the Byronic hero.[2]<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost</a>Can't get the Dark Tower wiki to load up in order to give a good example, but this concept of beings of chaos and discord from beyond gives a very clear picture of what to expect when encountering a demon. Think Lovecraft, think shoggoths and Shub-Niggurath, think of mad voices from the void, insanity, and chaos. This is the sort of thing that interests me in playing regular D&D again instead of house ruling every blasted thing.</blockquote>

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