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What do you think of the 4E background to demons & devils?
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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 3796927" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>Heck, I'd rather see more clarification and consolidation.</p><p></p><p>How do the slaad differ from demons really? IMO, not much. Fold 'em in. How do efreet differ from devil really? IMO, not much. Fold 'em in. What's the whole point of daemons/yugoloths? None, other than to get a pat "correspondence" based on alignments. If any of the yugoloths themselves are interesting enough to keep (a handful are, I'll admit, but only a handful) then divvy them up amongst the demons and devils and be done with it.</p><p></p><p>For that matter, I'm still not that keen on the idea of demons and devils being different in the first place, although I can still swallow it if needs be. My own cosmology basically has a fiend is a fiend is a fiend, and all of the above mentioned (not to mention demodands, oni, and any other outsider that you don't want to mess with) all are just fiends, and belong to one of many hells---each ruled over by it's Machiavellian prince or lord.</p><p></p><p>The reason I did this is because as far as I'm concerned, <em>all</em> of those overlap in purpose. There's no point in having so many subtypes that don't accomplish anything unique.</p><p></p><p>The whole notion that this is a pointless change for change's sake really boggles my mind. This consolidation of types seems like a very necessary change to get rid of years and years of bloat and esoteric minutia, and as far as I'm concerned, they <em>still</em> haven't done enough.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 3796927, member: 2205"] Heck, I'd rather see more clarification and consolidation. How do the slaad differ from demons really? IMO, not much. Fold 'em in. How do efreet differ from devil really? IMO, not much. Fold 'em in. What's the whole point of daemons/yugoloths? None, other than to get a pat "correspondence" based on alignments. If any of the yugoloths themselves are interesting enough to keep (a handful are, I'll admit, but only a handful) then divvy them up amongst the demons and devils and be done with it. For that matter, I'm still not that keen on the idea of demons and devils being different in the first place, although I can still swallow it if needs be. My own cosmology basically has a fiend is a fiend is a fiend, and all of the above mentioned (not to mention demodands, oni, and any other outsider that you don't want to mess with) all are just fiends, and belong to one of many hells---each ruled over by it's Machiavellian prince or lord. The reason I did this is because as far as I'm concerned, [i]all[/i] of those overlap in purpose. There's no point in having so many subtypes that don't accomplish anything unique. The whole notion that this is a pointless change for change's sake really boggles my mind. This consolidation of types seems like a very necessary change to get rid of years and years of bloat and esoteric minutia, and as far as I'm concerned, they [i]still[/i] haven't done enough. [/QUOTE]
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