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<blockquote data-quote="FrozenNorth" data-source="post: 8289886" data-attributes="member: 7020832">I would argue that this does not go far ENOUGH. I don’t think there is CHAOTIC and chaotic, I think there are a dozen traits that fall under “chaotic” but that don’t necessarily strongly correlate with each other.So, a character can be “chaotic” if:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">flightly, whimsical, incapable of taking most things seriously (Fey);</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">strong believers of individual rights and self-determination vs. the collectivity (civil rights lawyers);</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">strongly aligned with a Chaotic plane (Marids, Djinn);</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">not beholden to society’s laws/their word (criminals/oathbreakers/charming liars)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">prefer to destroy rather than dominate (demons)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">forward, creative, anti-traditionalist (mad scientists);</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">impulsive, ruled by their emotions (stereotypical portrayals of barbarians)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">insane (not I strongly disagree with this and just include it because this correlation was emphasized in 2e and 3e).</li>
</ul>Note that characters that typify certain of these traits strongly exclude others.&nbsp; Civil rights lawyers are not particularly known for their whimsy, and will take affront to the suggestion that they reject laws or are habitual oathbreakers.&nbsp; Fey, despite being the poster children for whimsy, are also characterized by strict adherence to their own bizarre rules.&nbsp; A barbarian can be from a traditional society and invested in the old ways of doing things and still be a frothing madman on the battlefield. A character may wish for the triumph of the Elysian fields but refuse to stoop to dishonorable methods to achieve them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrozenNorth, post: 8289886, member: 7020832"] I would argue that this does not go far ENOUGH. I don’t think there is CHAOTIC and chaotic, I think there are a dozen traits that fall under “chaotic” but that don’t necessarily strongly correlate with each other. So, a character can be “chaotic” if: [LIST] [*]flightly, whimsical, incapable of taking most things seriously (Fey); [*]strong believers of individual rights and self-determination vs. the collectivity (civil rights lawyers); [*]strongly aligned with a Chaotic plane (Marids, Djinn); [*]not beholden to society’s laws/their word (criminals/oathbreakers/charming liars) [*]prefer to destroy rather than dominate (demons) [*]forward, creative, anti-traditionalist (mad scientists); [*]impulsive, ruled by their emotions (stereotypical portrayals of barbarians) [*]insane (not I strongly disagree with this and just include it because this correlation was emphasized in 2e and 3e). [/LIST] Note that characters that typify certain of these traits strongly exclude others. Civil rights lawyers are not particularly known for their whimsy, and will take affront to the suggestion that they reject laws or are habitual oathbreakers. Fey, despite being the poster children for whimsy, are also characterized by strict adherence to their own bizarre rules. A barbarian can be from a traditional society and invested in the old ways of doing things and still be a frothing madman on the battlefield. A character may wish for the triumph of the Elysian fields but refuse to stoop to dishonorable methods to achieve them. [/QUOTE]

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