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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8411953" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Yes and no. You are right it is unfair to compare to a Rogue or Bard but even when you look outside Rogues and Bards Paladins are still lacking compared to most classes.  You are also right about half elves, but that is something that another class could take too to even be further ahead.Since TCE, Barbarians get more skills than Paladins, and Rangers get more skills and can get expertise as part of the class chassis.  Rangers also have subclasses that can make them the dominant class at either scouting (gloom stalker) or charisma checks (Fey Wanderer) on top of the extra skill(s), expertise and exploration features.   Wizards, Warlocks, Clerics, Druids and Sorcerers have only 2 skills (not counting subclasses) but they are full casters with both utility cantrips and utility spells.  So it is really just Paladins, Fighters and Monks on the bottom rung, and when you consider Paladins are reliant on strength where fighters and Monks aren't I think they take a back seat to those as well, before you even consider subclasses.</blockquote>