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<blockquote data-quote="Korgoth" data-source="post: 4527912" data-attributes="member: 49613"><p>That's not a better analogy. Role playing games are not Agricola (a euro board game about farming) where each player has his own little board and can be in his own little world and actually play the game with four other people and never even talk to them. Some games are like that but not role playing games. In role playing games, it's a group game. We're all sharing the same bowl of salsa, so it matters what you put in it.</p><p></p><p>Let's take some examples:</p><p></p><p>Li Mu Bai from Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon - he's so in harmony with the Tao that he can effortlessly jump 800' and support his weight upon a single leaf. If that's possible in the game world then it changes the game world. It's not self-contained. Either it's a Wuxia game world or it isn't. There's no such thing as "half Wuxia". It either is or it isn't.</p><p></p><p>That kid from FLCL - a boy who grows a giant phallus out of his forehead that ejaculates out giant battle robots. Sorry but no, you can't play that character. That kind of thing doesn't happen in this game world. If I have to explain it further, there's probably no point in trying to explain it further.</p><p></p><p>Pink haired underage schoolgirl with 8' long weapon (gun, maul, sword, whatever) - this anime archetype simply changes the world in which she is introduced. It says "the physics of this world are Japanese cartoon physics". I'm not bagging on that style of play (I'm also not saying I appreciate it), but it clearly admits no admixture with other forms of fantasy. It's either a cartoon physics world or it's not.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand:</p><p></p><p>Kiki from Kiki's Delivery Service - OK, a kid witch that flies around on a broom and has a telepathic cat. That could work, if the game was light enough.</p><p></p><p>Cloud from FF7 - Can we turn the "buster sword" into something non-ludicrous (like a zweihander) and de-spike the hairdo? And not jump 50' in the air? If so then we have a young but embittered warrior who used to work for an evil overlord and now wishes to return to his oppressed home town and stay out of politics... but naturally he ends up having to choose to fight for the good guys. That's fine - he's still a young swordsman with a big sword and thirst for vengeance or whatnot. Works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Korgoth, post: 4527912, member: 49613"] That's not a better analogy. Role playing games are not Agricola (a euro board game about farming) where each player has his own little board and can be in his own little world and actually play the game with four other people and never even talk to them. Some games are like that but not role playing games. In role playing games, it's a group game. We're all sharing the same bowl of salsa, so it matters what you put in it. Let's take some examples: Li Mu Bai from Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon - he's so in harmony with the Tao that he can effortlessly jump 800' and support his weight upon a single leaf. If that's possible in the game world then it changes the game world. It's not self-contained. Either it's a Wuxia game world or it isn't. There's no such thing as "half Wuxia". It either is or it isn't. That kid from FLCL - a boy who grows a giant phallus out of his forehead that ejaculates out giant battle robots. Sorry but no, you can't play that character. That kind of thing doesn't happen in this game world. If I have to explain it further, there's probably no point in trying to explain it further. Pink haired underage schoolgirl with 8' long weapon (gun, maul, sword, whatever) - this anime archetype simply changes the world in which she is introduced. It says "the physics of this world are Japanese cartoon physics". I'm not bagging on that style of play (I'm also not saying I appreciate it), but it clearly admits no admixture with other forms of fantasy. It's either a cartoon physics world or it's not. On the other hand: Kiki from Kiki's Delivery Service - OK, a kid witch that flies around on a broom and has a telepathic cat. That could work, if the game was light enough. Cloud from FF7 - Can we turn the "buster sword" into something non-ludicrous (like a zweihander) and de-spike the hairdo? And not jump 50' in the air? If so then we have a young but embittered warrior who used to work for an evil overlord and now wishes to return to his oppressed home town and stay out of politics... but naturally he ends up having to choose to fight for the good guys. That's fine - he's still a young swordsman with a big sword and thirst for vengeance or whatnot. Works. [/QUOTE]
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