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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4528106" data-attributes="member: 40961">What you're describing is a power balance problem, not a flavor problem.  If this is the only objection, its easily fixed.  As anime influenced characters are added to D&D, calibrate them based on existing rules for power balance.  For example, the monk who jumps three football fields now instead jumps a distance calibrated upon the Jump spell.  Far enough that he's clearly special, but also within the accepted level of the game.But we're not sharing to the same extent.  I'm sorry, but you simply do not have as much of an interest in my character as I do.  That's why its my character, and not yours.You're kind of driving the bus off the bridge here.  Power balance issues need to be set aside.  When we discuss whether its ok for D&D to add anime tropes to certain character classes, I think it goes without saying that we're assuming that its done so in a balanced way.  Jumping 800 feet is unbalanced, and is objectionable for reasons entirely unrelated to the anime genre.And again, the sound you hear is the Korgoth bus crashing into the gorge.  Just as we need to set aside power balance issues, we should probably set aside what I'll call "total genre" issues.  If we're talking about adding anime influences to D&D, I think it also goes without saying that the influences in question will relate to fantasy, not science fiction, anime. Or else the next thing we'll be debating is whether D&D should become a teen relationship drama set in a japanese high school.  Obviously no.KABOOM!  Bus explodes as it hits the bottom!  Pink haired underage schoolgirl?  We're doing another genre disconnect now. If anime is to be added to D&D, its going to be done in a way that involves taking the tropes that undergird combat heavy fantasy anime, and adapt them to the default world-type of a magical pseudo medieval age.  Its not going to involve taking modern school girl from Osaka Japan, iPod and all, and dumping her straight into the middle ages. The "little girl with big weapon" trope, as its generally used in fantasy or medieval anime, tends to involve a girl who fights with a regular sized katana, and moves very fast.  In 3e D&D terms the most likely way to adapt this would just be someone who can use a katana and weapon finesse at the same time.  In 4e terms, its a katana variant that counts as a light weapon, and the girl is a rogue.Woah!  In a surprise twist, the bus UNEXPLODES, and flies back up onto the bridge!Also entirely reasonable!  We're back on track! Ok, ground rules. 1. Bracket power balance issues.  If we're going to discuss a D&D class influenced by Lu Bai, lets assume that its influenced by him in flavor and in abilities, but that the power level of those abilities are calibrated to match the expected strength versus character level of the D&D power curve.  That's the only fair way to do things, since it lets us focus on flavor rather than on externalities that don't actually have to be a problem. 2. Focus on fantasy anime.  Lets put the cyborg/ motorcyclist/ transformer/ professional hacker thing down, and deal with things that actual people actually want to include in actual D&D, and things that have a snowball's chance in heck of actually being considered.  Its only fair. So, Lu Bai.  Jumping 800 feet and balancing on a leaf?  Probably not acceptable for obvious balance reasons.  What about getting a level appropriate bonus on Athletics checks related to jumping, and a bonus to the Acrobatics skill when balancing?  Does it honestly matter to your enjoyment of the game if these bonuses are attributed to "ki energy" instead of "multiclassing to Wizard to learn Jump and then buying boots that help me balance?" So, ignore total genre disconnects like cybernetic superhackers in the middle ages, and ignore issues that are really just disguised power balance concerns. The sorts of things you're actually likely to see would be, in a partial list off the top of my head: 1. A lessening of the need for armor.  A front line anime styled warrior is either going to be a fully armored samurai, or he's going to be lightly armored and doge well. 2. A focus on dramatic recoveries.  Its a standard trope of anime that a character on the brink of feat regains his determination and continues to fight.  This is easily enough done.  4e already has Second Wind to build upon. 3. The ability to refocus during pauses in combat, thereby gaining tactical advantage.  For example, a character might decline to attack for a round, and gain an advantage in the next round. 4. Enhanced mobility for most characters.  All that really requires is Acrobatics and/or Athletics as class skills for anime styled classes, but it could go further.  For example, a Cloud influenced character might get a limited use ability to jump further than normal (but within the general power balance of D&D). 5. At least one class that focuses on unarmed combat. 6. Eastern weapons. 7. At least one class that mixes unarmed melee combat with magic attacks.  Imagine, perhaps, a Strike version of the Swordmage, themed to use Ki instead of magic, and adhering to some of the above tropes. There's probably more.  Can anyone think of any?  Remember, an entirely new class isn't strictly necessary if there's a class that already does it.  For example, Sailor Moon is just a 3e Warlock with some reskinning.  (She flies, wields a rod, and blasts people with magical energies... get that girl a familiar and you've got yourself Sailor Moon, D&D).  A Genasi can cover you for your "dude who fights in melee but also has elemental powers" trope.  Etc.</blockquote>

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