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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arashi Ravenblade" data-source="post: 4528410" data-attributes="member: 15630">First I think we have to identify the players who switch editions because of the Name brand, not because of the game itself, or who will love anything with the D&D name on the cover even if it was a boxed turd. Then we have to weed out the people who bought it and didnt like it (with any edition), or who are just collectors, like me, who bought 4e realms and the 4e core set, both things I dont like. Forget sales figures. All we can really go on is antecdotal evidence which means nothing to begin with. For myself, I would say WOTC is not giving us what we the majority want. Based on? Well based on out of all the game shops I visit over three states none of them can move the 4e product. The Waldens I go to is looking it to returning the product cause they cant move it and ive never met one gamer in real life who likes 4e, and ive only ever met one gamer who did NOT like 3e or 3.5. Couple that with when 3e was coming out everyone I knew who played 2e or earlier hated the system but played cause it was all they had, and embraced 3e with open arms. It was similar enough but different enough. Your experiences may be different. Im sure they are. Im sure there is someone on here who went to a convention where 3e was booed. I dont know. All the bean counters at Hasbro and WOTC know is that the people who go with the brand regardless and those that bought it but hate it are still giving them money. For the recrod ive  never seen the hate for a new edtion as for 4e. Even the 3e naysayers havent been this bad.</blockquote>

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