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<blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 5906947" data-attributes="member: 6688937"><p>You're joking here, right? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />I'm gaming with guys right now who've been playing since the 70's and get upset at Orcs that don't have the "right" HD, etc. I'm not saying you're view is wrong. Heck, I tend to DM from that perspective myself, but there are many...far more than I would have thought even a year ago...many people who play and believe that D&D is "just so". I don't think we'll win any hearts and minds by forcing them to work out stats for an orc berserker before play. I know it may sound weird, but a lot of people out there want pre-fab monsters to put into maps/situations of their own device, and not much else.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>hunh? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />There was precious little advice or rules for devising your own monsters in the earlier editions of the game. As far as I remember, 3e was the first edition that actually codified the process<em> at all</em>. Certainly nothing about the earlier edition MMs made it any easier.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You appear to be in a tunnel<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />...trust me, the number of ways to play D&D is quite large. Seriously, SD, I don't know if you're intending to be, but you're kinda reading as "One True Wayist" with some of this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>While I agree that new players often don't have many books, I disagree that they are likely to have a mentor. I know some do, but I also know many kids who pick up the books on their own and try it all by themselves, never realizing that there are others around who play the game. The game needs to take their total lack of experience into account, as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The MM must be more than a bag of groceries.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Two groups of people; DMs who don't have the time or concern to do everything from scratch and younger DMs who don't know better, need it to be more. That being said, there should be groceries available for those who don't like frozen dinners.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ratskinner, post: 5906947, member: 6688937"] You're joking here, right? :erm:I'm gaming with guys right now who've been playing since the 70's and get upset at Orcs that don't have the "right" HD, etc. I'm not saying you're view is wrong. Heck, I tend to DM from that perspective myself, but there are many...far more than I would have thought even a year ago...many people who play and believe that D&D is "just so". I don't think we'll win any hearts and minds by forcing them to work out stats for an orc berserker before play. I know it may sound weird, but a lot of people out there want pre-fab monsters to put into maps/situations of their own device, and not much else. hunh? :confused:There was precious little advice or rules for devising your own monsters in the earlier editions of the game. As far as I remember, 3e was the first edition that actually codified the process[I] at all[/I]. Certainly nothing about the earlier edition MMs made it any easier. You appear to be in a tunnel:)...trust me, the number of ways to play D&D is quite large. Seriously, SD, I don't know if you're intending to be, but you're kinda reading as "One True Wayist" with some of this. While I agree that new players often don't have many books, I disagree that they are likely to have a mentor. I know some do, but I also know many kids who pick up the books on their own and try it all by themselves, never realizing that there are others around who play the game. The game needs to take their total lack of experience into account, as well. The MM must be more than a bag of groceries.:D Two groups of people; DMs who don't have the time or concern to do everything from scratch and younger DMs who don't know better, need it to be more. That being said, there should be groceries available for those who don't like frozen dinners. [/QUOTE]
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