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<blockquote data-quote="mattcolville" data-source="post: 252812" data-attributes="member: 1300"><p>I've mentioned this before, but I enjoy this story so I'll do it again.</p><p></p><p>As some of you know, I'm developing a set of Realm Management and Mass Combat rules for D&D, to be published by Eden Studios. We've put out. . .three D&D book if you include the new Liber Beasarius and we're pretty serious about this.</p><p></p><p>So I get emails. I get them all the time. The funniest one I've gotten was from a potential customer who felt that no mass combat system would satisfy him unless it *truly* reflected the impact of magic on the battlefield.</p><p></p><p>Well, I'm of two minds about that. Normal PHB magic, when you think about it, wasn't designed to seriously hamper entire armies, it was designed to seriously hamper individuals and small groups of individuals. So to my way of thinking, at a certain scale (i.e. really, really, big) PHB magic, while effective, isn't world-beating.</p><p></p><p>However, the only reason D&D doesn't have Battle Magic, meaning dozens of spells designed to affect many units at a time, is precisely because it was designed with dungeon crawls in mind. But once you *have* a new scale of battle, you can presume there's a new scale of magic, and *these* spells like Rain of Fireballs and Mass Sleep really would be world-beaters.</p><p></p><p>So I ask the guy what he means. This was back in the day when the volume of emails was low enough that I could engage people in dialog about what they wanted. </p><p></p><p>He says he means a system that *accurately* reflects the effects of magic. The fact that his 7th level fighter should be able to drink a potion of flying and be immune to all damage because no-one can hit him now.</p><p></p><p>Now, there are many problems with what this guy is saying, but to my mind the biggest one was; he's insane. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>I get comments like this all the time. All I can say is, I think many people will be very happy with the Book of War. If however, you seriously believe your 7th level fighter can take on an army of thousands and stand a chance of winning, the book isn't for you.</p><p></p><p>Even as I type this, I know some people will read this and say "He's just being silly, who would ever really think that?" while at the same time others are thinking "<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />, why doesn't anyone *get* it? My 7th level fighter *would* be able to take out an army of thousands!"</p><p></p><p>For my part, I like the diversity of opinion. Wouldn't it be a boring world if we were all the same? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mattcolville, post: 252812, member: 1300"] I've mentioned this before, but I enjoy this story so I'll do it again. As some of you know, I'm developing a set of Realm Management and Mass Combat rules for D&D, to be published by Eden Studios. We've put out. . .three D&D book if you include the new Liber Beasarius and we're pretty serious about this. So I get emails. I get them all the time. The funniest one I've gotten was from a potential customer who felt that no mass combat system would satisfy him unless it *truly* reflected the impact of magic on the battlefield. Well, I'm of two minds about that. Normal PHB magic, when you think about it, wasn't designed to seriously hamper entire armies, it was designed to seriously hamper individuals and small groups of individuals. So to my way of thinking, at a certain scale (i.e. really, really, big) PHB magic, while effective, isn't world-beating. However, the only reason D&D doesn't have Battle Magic, meaning dozens of spells designed to affect many units at a time, is precisely because it was designed with dungeon crawls in mind. But once you *have* a new scale of battle, you can presume there's a new scale of magic, and *these* spells like Rain of Fireballs and Mass Sleep really would be world-beaters. So I ask the guy what he means. This was back in the day when the volume of emails was low enough that I could engage people in dialog about what they wanted. He says he means a system that *accurately* reflects the effects of magic. The fact that his 7th level fighter should be able to drink a potion of flying and be immune to all damage because no-one can hit him now. Now, there are many problems with what this guy is saying, but to my mind the biggest one was; he's insane. :) I get comments like this all the time. All I can say is, I think many people will be very happy with the Book of War. If however, you seriously believe your 7th level fighter can take on an army of thousands and stand a chance of winning, the book isn't for you. Even as I type this, I know some people will read this and say "He's just being silly, who would ever really think that?" while at the same time others are thinking ":):):):), why doesn't anyone *get* it? My 7th level fighter *would* be able to take out an army of thousands!" For my part, I like the diversity of opinion. Wouldn't it be a boring world if we were all the same? :) [/QUOTE]
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