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<blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 4454440" data-attributes="member: 518">I like 4E, but I'm just not getting the professional vibe out of either magazine at this point. As someone else said, &quot;amateur hour&quot;. Not that I have issue with &quot;amateur&quot; publications, there's some great stuff going on for OD&amp;D (Fight on), C&amp;C, and the like. And for the most part I find them far more interesting.The Paizo and previous WOTC print versions, while not always having a plethora of info I could use in each issue, at least were very well done professional magazines- I don't mind paying for that. As for the DDI versions, Dungeon is most useful to me as I rarely play 1) That one adventure Ari did was pretty nice, but the rest (quality-wise) seem to be along the same lines as the intitial 3.0 website freebies (The Burning Plague, etc) - which are great when they are free- not so much to pay for. 2) The adventure format SUCKS. The KOTS format is excellent, I don't understand why they cannot use that. 3) Not a fan of the Adventure Path. 4) Around 2001 or so, 3.0 Dungeon mag started to hit it's stride after a first year of &quot;ho-hum&quot;, so I'm sure the 4E version will do so in time. Problem is, I won't be able to peruse the magazine like I used to get an idea how the quality is improving (or not). 5) I hate the PDF-online format. I know it's not going to change (unless DDI tanks), but it bothers me to no end. I don't buy PDFs of game products either ( New products, that is. I bought many of the old TSR product PDFs)4E Dragon has had a few more interesting articles than Dungeon has had interesting adventures, but not enough for me to subscribe.Bottom line- the DDI versions will have to &quot;double wow&quot; me compared to previous print versions to get me to buy and then spend more money printing everything out. Unfortunately they are not even remotely close at this point.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JeffB, post: 4454440, member: 518"] I like 4E, but I'm just not getting the professional vibe out of either magazine at this point. As someone else said, "amateur hour". Not that I have issue with "amateur" publications, there's some great stuff going on for OD&D (Fight on), C&C, and the like. And for the most part I find them far more interesting. The Paizo and previous WOTC print versions, while not always having a plethora of info I could use in each issue, at least were very well done professional magazines- I don't mind paying for that. As for the DDI versions, Dungeon is most useful to me as I rarely play 1) That one adventure Ari did was pretty nice, but the rest (quality-wise) seem to be along the same lines as the intitial 3.0 website freebies (The Burning Plague, etc) - which are great when they are free- not so much to pay for. 2) The adventure format SUCKS. The KOTS format is excellent, I don't understand why they cannot use that. 3) Not a fan of the Adventure Path. 4) Around 2001 or so, 3.0 Dungeon mag started to hit it's stride after a first year of "ho-hum", so I'm sure the 4E version will do so in time. Problem is, I won't be able to peruse the magazine like I used to get an idea how the quality is improving (or not). 5) I hate the PDF-online format. I know it's not going to change (unless DDI tanks), but it bothers me to no end. I don't buy PDFs of game products either ( New products, that is. I bought many of the old TSR product PDFs) 4E Dragon has had a few more interesting articles than Dungeon has had interesting adventures, but not enough for me to subscribe. Bottom line- the DDI versions will have to "double wow" me compared to previous print versions to get me to buy and then spend more money printing everything out. Unfortunately they are not even remotely close at this point. [/QUOTE]

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