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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 135666" data-attributes="member: 2209">In my opinion WoHS should be prestige classes and so should Knights of Solamnia.Both require skill and initiation rites before becoming a member. You can not just switch into being a knight, you must be an accomplished warrior and a go on a quest first. Once you have been approved and accepted then you can become a knight. The knighthood is a political organization, and specific political organization classes should be represented by prestige classes, not core classes.For the WoHS you must be able to do a certain level of magic and pass a magical test (usually in game) to become a memeber of the order. At that point you choose your moon orientation. That sounds like it is best represented by a prestige class. Just because the political organization is prevalent and demands that you join it or die does not mean that it is better represented by a core class, it still sounds much better reflected mechanically by a prestige class.Granted I'm working from the 1e hardcover D&amp;D rulesbook for DL but there were differences in the orders depending on which one you choose, and apprentices were generic until they took the test. Renegades did not choose moons or gain the bonuses or penalties of moon affiliation at all. They were just socially hunted. (Wasn't there an illusionist renegade in the first set of Tales?).I can't speak about 5th age wizardry as I only read through _Dragons of Summer Flames_ (which had an appendix for the D&amp;D class stats of the three Dark knighthood orders) but after the cataclysm when the gods did not grant their followers powers the wizards still had their wizardry.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 135666, member: 2209"] In my opinion WoHS should be prestige classes and so should Knights of Solamnia. Both require skill and initiation rites before becoming a member. You can not just switch into being a knight, you must be an accomplished warrior and a go on a quest first. Once you have been approved and accepted then you can become a knight. The knighthood is a political organization, and specific political organization classes should be represented by prestige classes, not core classes. For the WoHS you must be able to do a certain level of magic and pass a magical test (usually in game) to become a memeber of the order. At that point you choose your moon orientation. That sounds like it is best represented by a prestige class. Just because the political organization is prevalent and demands that you join it or die does not mean that it is better represented by a core class, it still sounds much better reflected mechanically by a prestige class. Granted I'm working from the 1e hardcover D&D rulesbook for DL but there were differences in the orders depending on which one you choose, and apprentices were generic until they took the test. Renegades did not choose moons or gain the bonuses or penalties of moon affiliation at all. They were just socially hunted. (Wasn't there an illusionist renegade in the first set of Tales?). I can't speak about 5th age wizardry as I only read through _Dragons of Summer Flames_ (which had an appendix for the D&D class stats of the three Dark knighthood orders) but after the cataclysm when the gods did not grant their followers powers the wizards still had their wizardry. [/QUOTE]

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