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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8309789" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I get that different games "work" for different people.  No game can be the correct one for everyone. But it wasn't lack of understanding of the rules that caused us problems.  I still wish I could build a cleric that could be the combination striker/healer my cleric was in 4E.  Even if I sometimes wished for a more mundane fighter, I still had fun with it.  It's just that at higher levels there was so much going on, we regularly had combats that would go on for hours.  My experience may not have been universal but it was widespread.  Obviously YMMV.I shouldn't have been so cranky, but some of your comments came across to me as being "holier than thou".  In any case, this isn't a 4E thread, so we should just move on.</blockquote>