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<blockquote data-quote="Mouseferatu" data-source="post: 6561858" data-attributes="member: 1288">It occurs to me, there's another very easy tweak that would allow a spell-less ranger.Start with rogue. There's actually a great deal of skill overlap with rangers. Yes, you're lacking Animal Handling, Nature, and Survival, but you can easily pick up two of those from a background.Swap out Thieves Cant for the secret language of the druids (or some other nature-appropriate language, if you prefer).Use the ranger &quot;hunter&quot; subclass in place of either of the rogue's subclasses.Boom. Done. Seriously, look at it. It's everything you want. You lose out on the ranger's favored terrain, but you easily make up for that by choosing Nature and Survival for your Expertise skills. Lose favored enemy, but again, the Expertise cancels a lot of that out (and at higher levels, is better).Ranger's combat potential? You're sacrificing multiple attacks, but you're gaining a precision attack (the rogue's sneak attack), which makes perfect sense for a hunter to have. Every other non-archetype-specific rogue ability fits very well with a ranger, and some of them have a good amount of conceptual overlap. (Rogue's blindsight vs. ranger's feral senses. Hide in plain sight vs. hide via cunning action.)Heck, this option's better at recapturing the 4E ranger than the &quot;spells as non-magical abilities&quot; suggestion I gave above. And as far as I can tell--though I admit I haven't studied it for long--there's nothing game-breaking about that combo of rogue class and hunter archetype, since you're still limited to one sneak attack per turn.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mouseferatu, post: 6561858, member: 1288"] It occurs to me, there's another very easy tweak that would allow a spell-less ranger. Start with rogue. There's actually a great deal of skill overlap with rangers. Yes, you're lacking Animal Handling, Nature, and Survival, but you can easily pick up two of those from a background. Swap out Thieves Cant for the secret language of the druids (or some other nature-appropriate language, if you prefer). Use the ranger "hunter" subclass in place of either of the rogue's subclasses. Boom. Done. Seriously, look at it. It's everything you want. You lose out on the ranger's favored terrain, but you easily make up for that by choosing Nature and Survival for your Expertise skills. Lose favored enemy, but again, the Expertise cancels a lot of that out (and at higher levels, is better). Ranger's combat potential? You're sacrificing multiple attacks, but you're gaining a precision attack (the rogue's sneak attack), which makes perfect sense for a hunter to have. Every other non-archetype-specific rogue ability fits very well with a ranger, and some of them have a good amount of conceptual overlap. (Rogue's blindsight vs. ranger's feral senses. Hide in plain sight vs. hide via cunning action.) Heck, this option's better at recapturing the 4E ranger than the "spells as non-magical abilities" suggestion I gave above. And as far as I can tell--though I admit I haven't studied it for long--there's nothing game-breaking about that combo of rogue class and hunter archetype, since you're still limited to one sneak attack per turn. [/QUOTE]

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