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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 9776108" data-attributes="member: 6677017">I think we've hit on a fundamental divide that people assume their own premise on and therefore have trouble communicating with those from the other premise:Is what's most salient in making psionics different the method of manifesting the effect, or the nature of the effect?I'm firmly in the first category. I'm literally fine if psionic powers are just taken straight out of the existing PHB spell list, as long as they require no components to manifest, don't use spell slots, are an appropriately chosen list, and not-magic fluff. That's what psionics are about to me. (I also can't understand how people can't see that jedi, firestarter style psionics, Eleven from Stranger Things, etc, are fundamentally different from Harry Potter, Gandalf, folklore curses, or even Doctor Strange, since for me psionics are a fairly clearly defined subset of supra-normal capabilities distinct from the magic subset, which is distinct from other types of super hero sunsets, while I think that for some people "magic" and "supra-normal capability" are synonyms, which is another major divide in premise, but might be getting beyond the scope of this thread).What is the OP's take on this divide, to better focus useful discussion?Psionics is one of those topics where instead of engaging in trying to identify the different elements and agendas and devising a common vocabulary of discussion, we tend to all use words the way we prefer and assume everyone else is an idiot.</blockquote>

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