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<blockquote data-quote="Abstruse" data-source="post: 5938739" data-attributes="member: 6669048">A lot of those virtues don't apply to several of the gods of the various D&amp;D worlds. Remember, this is a polytheistic game and that divine powers come from actual gods who intervene in life frequently. Charisma wouldn't be a big factor for a god of dwarves or orcs. The paladins of a neutral or evil god wouldn't smite evil. Same goes for what you say about &quot;righteousness&quot;, as a god of freedom surely wouldn't want such a person as his/her warrior. Same for a god of secrets and lies wanting anything to be &quot;revealed&quot; as you said.Not a spellcaster? Sorry, in 1st-3.x I see a little chart that says &quot;spells per day&quot; in the paladin's class description. Want to call them prayers for roleplaying purposes? Go ahead. You're doing the exact same thing that all divine characters did in 4e, from clerics to paladins to avengers to invokers.Until you can show me a paladin class that A) would&nbsp; work just as well for a follower of Melora, Avandra, and Pelor as they&nbsp; would for Bahamut, Lolth, or Kord and B) has enough distinction and variation to warrant being something other than a specialized melee build of cleric, you're not going to convince me that it needs to be a separate class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Abstruse, post: 5938739, member: 6669048"] A lot of those virtues don't apply to several of the gods of the various D&D worlds. Remember, this is a polytheistic game and that divine powers come from actual gods who intervene in life frequently. Charisma wouldn't be a big factor for a god of dwarves or orcs. The paladins of a neutral or evil god wouldn't smite evil. Same goes for what you say about "righteousness", as a god of freedom surely wouldn't want such a person as his/her warrior. Same for a god of secrets and lies wanting anything to be "revealed" as you said. Not a spellcaster? Sorry, in 1st-3.x I see a little chart that says "spells per day" in the paladin's class description. Want to call them prayers for roleplaying purposes? Go ahead. You're doing the exact same thing that all divine characters did in 4e, from clerics to paladins to avengers to invokers. Until you can show me a paladin class that A) would work just as well for a follower of Melora, Avandra, and Pelor as they would for Bahamut, Lolth, or Kord and B) has enough distinction and variation to warrant being something other than a specialized melee build of cleric, you're not going to convince me that it needs to be a separate class. [/QUOTE]

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