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<blockquote data-quote="Abstruse" data-source="post: 5939363" data-attributes="member: 6669048"><p>I...am not going to get into discussing Dresden Files if I can help it because it and the Shadowrun metaplot are two of my biggest passions in life. But it should be noted that there are only three Knights of the Cross at any given time because there are only three Swords of the Cross. And that they come from very different cultural backgrounds with very different systems of faith - Michael is the traditional Christian archetype, but Shiro is a Shinto/Buddhist who was baptized by accident and Sanya is agnostic (which leads to some pretty interesting discussions). Michael himself typically shows up at the start of a story if he's going to show up, but the other knights have popped up randomly where they're needed and fate seems to take care of their mundane needs (in one case, Michael has his uncountable number of children at home but needs to go out to help Harry, when through random chance Father Forthill, a priest and ally of the two of them, happens to have had car trouble near Michael's house and just stopped by to phone a tow truck when he looked at them geared up for battle and said, "You need a babysitter, don't you?") And I'll try to avoid spoilers, but in one book a particular Knight of the Cross was desperately needed by Harry to even the odds and he regularly lamented through the book "Of course he/she's not here when we really need him/her", but it turns out that he/she was needed somewhere else in the world far more and one of the major plotlines of the story hinged on him/her being elsewhere.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes...for 4th Edition. Because of the design style of power source/role, having a divine defender was important to the game. It also gave the paladin a flavor that was completely different from the cleric or even the warpriest. The cleric was a leader, while the paladin was a defender. Since roles have gone right out the window in Next, so does that advantage. As the Moradin Cleric shows, it's possible to create a defender-style cleric that looks and feels almost exactly like a paladin. </p><p></p><p>In order for there to be a paladin class that actually adds to the game in a meaningful way, it needs to be unique enough from the cleric to justify being a class yet still versatile enough to allow for multiple build types (especially for a divine character who can have one of any number of different gods with different domains, different personalities, and different goals). Until we can get that sort of design for the paladin, I'm still not convinced it needs to be a class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Abstruse, post: 5939363, member: 6669048"] I...am not going to get into discussing Dresden Files if I can help it because it and the Shadowrun metaplot are two of my biggest passions in life. But it should be noted that there are only three Knights of the Cross at any given time because there are only three Swords of the Cross. And that they come from very different cultural backgrounds with very different systems of faith - Michael is the traditional Christian archetype, but Shiro is a Shinto/Buddhist who was baptized by accident and Sanya is agnostic (which leads to some pretty interesting discussions). Michael himself typically shows up at the start of a story if he's going to show up, but the other knights have popped up randomly where they're needed and fate seems to take care of their mundane needs (in one case, Michael has his uncountable number of children at home but needs to go out to help Harry, when through random chance Father Forthill, a priest and ally of the two of them, happens to have had car trouble near Michael's house and just stopped by to phone a tow truck when he looked at them geared up for battle and said, "You need a babysitter, don't you?") And I'll try to avoid spoilers, but in one book a particular Knight of the Cross was desperately needed by Harry to even the odds and he regularly lamented through the book "Of course he/she's not here when we really need him/her", but it turns out that he/she was needed somewhere else in the world far more and one of the major plotlines of the story hinged on him/her being elsewhere. Yes...for 4th Edition. Because of the design style of power source/role, having a divine defender was important to the game. It also gave the paladin a flavor that was completely different from the cleric or even the warpriest. The cleric was a leader, while the paladin was a defender. Since roles have gone right out the window in Next, so does that advantage. As the Moradin Cleric shows, it's possible to create a defender-style cleric that looks and feels almost exactly like a paladin. In order for there to be a paladin class that actually adds to the game in a meaningful way, it needs to be unique enough from the cleric to justify being a class yet still versatile enough to allow for multiple build types (especially for a divine character who can have one of any number of different gods with different domains, different personalities, and different goals). Until we can get that sort of design for the paladin, I'm still not convinced it needs to be a class. [/QUOTE]
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