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<blockquote data-quote="SlyFlourish" data-source="post: 9676437" data-attributes="member: 54840">so I gave my longer list but now I'll narrow down based on these excellent conversations on what I think would tell me a game is &quot;successful&quot; which might mean &quot;healthy&quot; or whatever.<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I can actually buy it and own it (PDF or print).</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I hear people talking about it and talking about actually running it on Discord or forums or wherever.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">It has some sort of open license so I know people can keep writing for it even if the creators abandon it.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I can find people running games of it at conventions.</li>
</ul>There are big obvious games that are successful, but there are some I know and love that are probably on the edge of this. These are just my examples -- they are far from an exhaustive list.<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">FATE / Dresden Files</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">13th Age (hopefully the new version fires people up)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Shadow of the Demon Lord (I don't know if Weird Wizard is eating up the market for SoDL).</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Numenera (MCG still runs these at conventions, it's definitely healthy).</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Dungeon World (Another one with a new version and some controversy attached but I still see people running it at cons)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">D&amp;D 4e (I hear of people running 4e games -- no license though but there are many 4e-like games).</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I don't know what the Pathfinder 1 scene is like now. I bet a lot of folks are still playing it.</li>
</ul>Avatar comes up a lot as a game with a huge initial market but now no real follow-through. That's interesting.Anyway, those are some of my current thoughts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SlyFlourish, post: 9676437, member: 54840"] so I gave my longer list but now I'll narrow down based on these excellent conversations on what I think would tell me a game is "successful" which might mean "healthy" or whatever. [LIST] [*]I can actually buy it and own it (PDF or print). [*]I hear people talking about it and talking about actually running it on Discord or forums or wherever. [*]It has some sort of open license so I know people can keep writing for it even if the creators abandon it. [*]I can find people running games of it at conventions. [/LIST] There are big obvious games that are successful, but there are some I know and love that are probably on the edge of this. These are just my examples -- they are far from an exhaustive list. [LIST] [*]FATE / Dresden Files [*]13th Age (hopefully the new version fires people up) [*]Shadow of the Demon Lord (I don't know if Weird Wizard is eating up the market for SoDL). [*]Numenera (MCG still runs these at conventions, it's definitely healthy). [*]Dungeon World (Another one with a new version and some controversy attached but I still see people running it at cons) [*]D&D 4e (I hear of people running 4e games -- no license though but there are many 4e-like games). [*]I don't know what the Pathfinder 1 scene is like now. I bet a lot of folks are still playing it. [/LIST] Avatar comes up a lot as a game with a huge initial market but now no real follow-through. That's interesting. Anyway, those are some of my current thoughts. [/QUOTE]

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