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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9017345" data-attributes="member: 4937">Personally as a long time 3e GM, I never felt obligated to work up a monster to publication quality.&nbsp; I figured the monster was good enough if everything was roughly calculated and being +/- ~1 to any given skill or stat or whatever was not even worth getting concerned about.&nbsp; I also felt that if you were deciding to run customized monsters that was your choice to accept the burden.&nbsp; Many of the stock stat blocks were perfectly fine, and customized ones if you were trying to make generic examples of say &quot;ogre chieftain&quot; were reusable.&nbsp; Granted, I usually confined most of my play to under 13th level, but with a fairly slow pace of leveling that wasn't a problem.&nbsp; It was a choice to play at above 13th level, and historically anything above 12th level was difficult to run in every edition of the game and required a lot of work and imagination by the DM.&nbsp;&nbsp; Consider the examples provided of things like 1e's &quot;Isle of the Ape&quot; or 2e's &quot;Axe of the Dwarven Lords&quot; for examples of the complexities and compromises you were likely to have to endure to run games that were suitably challenging for high level PCs.In short these problems are, whether we are talking about 2e or 3e, problems that DMs tended to take on themselves and which many groups never encountered by simply never playing at very high level.&nbsp; One thing 5e has done is pull back from the (video game inspired?) idea that games should naturally go on to 20th level as a culmination of play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 9017345, member: 4937"] Personally as a long time 3e GM, I never felt obligated to work up a monster to publication quality. I figured the monster was good enough if everything was roughly calculated and being +/- ~1 to any given skill or stat or whatever was not even worth getting concerned about. I also felt that if you were deciding to run customized monsters that was your choice to accept the burden. Many of the stock stat blocks were perfectly fine, and customized ones if you were trying to make generic examples of say "ogre chieftain" were reusable. Granted, I usually confined most of my play to under 13th level, but with a fairly slow pace of leveling that wasn't a problem. It was a choice to play at above 13th level, and historically anything above 12th level was difficult to run in every edition of the game and required a lot of work and imagination by the DM. Consider the examples provided of things like 1e's "Isle of the Ape" or 2e's "Axe of the Dwarven Lords" for examples of the complexities and compromises you were likely to have to endure to run games that were suitably challenging for high level PCs. In short these problems are, whether we are talking about 2e or 3e, problems that DMs tended to take on themselves and which many groups never encountered by simply never playing at very high level. One thing 5e has done is pull back from the (video game inspired?) idea that games should naturally go on to 20th level as a culmination of play. [/QUOTE]

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