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<blockquote data-quote="shoak1" data-source="post: 7157325" data-attributes="member: 54380"><p>I'm not sure whether you still didn't read my post thoroughly or didn't understand the point I was making - I will assume the latter and phrase it a bit differently:</p><p></p><p>Comparing combat feats with non-combat feats is subjective based on play styles - so comparing "Read and write all languages" to "+3 with swords" is problematic. However, if you are comparing COMBAT feats, that subjectiveness narrows (note I said narrows, not disappears) considerably. There is still some subjectiveness because some people might play extreme dungeons only, or ranged combat only - but that doesn't mean you should eschew balance as a principal - continuing down that path is nihilism - it leads to the conclusion that nothing matters because everyone plays differently. </p><p></p><p>The designers can and should balance combat feats based on the assortment of monsters they present in the MM - which is a large assortment of different types, ranged, spell, and melee. They can and should balance based on a variety of locales - dungeons, urban, wild, etc. In other words, balance to the mean/average. This is still a bit subjective BUT it is done in thousands of games successfully. Extreme examples of play should not be considered in judging balance.</p><p></p><p>You say D and D is "a set of tools the DM can use to make the game he or she wants and nothing more" - that is a line of thinking that could and does alienate a substantial portion of the gaming world. I, like many, have an expectation that D and D be a complete game, not a collection of tools that must be endlessly tinkered with to work.</p><p></p><p>In the end, I agree with Tony Vargas' statement that D and D 5e suffers from a failure to commit to balance - and I think your attitude sums up 5e's problems (as percieved by me) in that regard.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shoak1, post: 7157325, member: 54380"] I'm not sure whether you still didn't read my post thoroughly or didn't understand the point I was making - I will assume the latter and phrase it a bit differently: Comparing combat feats with non-combat feats is subjective based on play styles - so comparing "Read and write all languages" to "+3 with swords" is problematic. However, if you are comparing COMBAT feats, that subjectiveness narrows (note I said narrows, not disappears) considerably. There is still some subjectiveness because some people might play extreme dungeons only, or ranged combat only - but that doesn't mean you should eschew balance as a principal - continuing down that path is nihilism - it leads to the conclusion that nothing matters because everyone plays differently. The designers can and should balance combat feats based on the assortment of monsters they present in the MM - which is a large assortment of different types, ranged, spell, and melee. They can and should balance based on a variety of locales - dungeons, urban, wild, etc. In other words, balance to the mean/average. This is still a bit subjective BUT it is done in thousands of games successfully. Extreme examples of play should not be considered in judging balance. You say D and D is "a set of tools the DM can use to make the game he or she wants and nothing more" - that is a line of thinking that could and does alienate a substantial portion of the gaming world. I, like many, have an expectation that D and D be a complete game, not a collection of tools that must be endlessly tinkered with to work. In the end, I agree with Tony Vargas' statement that D and D 5e suffers from a failure to commit to balance - and I think your attitude sums up 5e's problems (as percieved by me) in that regard. [/QUOTE]
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