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Message: <blockquote data-quote="schnee" data-source="post: 7162330" data-attributes="member: 16728">Strike 1: The plural of anecdotes is not data.And, I think you're making a lot of assumptions too - like your table is completely representative of what's possible with the game, your characters played the most optimal, and nobody else could *possibly* make a build you can't imagine.Strike 2: More assumptions. Why level 9? I didn't mention a level. Why will that prove your point? And, like I said, our table was pretty sane, none of us were optimizers; it was another player that came in and broke it, and that game was 13th-14th level. And, I see no reason why I specifically have to write the character to prove your point, when <a href="https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/38201/what-are-tiers-and-what-tier-is-each-class" target="_blank">hundreds</a> upon <a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?269440-Why-Each-Class-Is-In-Its-Tier-(Rescued-from-MinMax)" target="_blank">thousands of words</a> <a href="https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Tier_System" target="_blank">have been written about</a> the 'Tier' system in 3E. I would rather suggest that instead of asking a single person to set up a straw man for you to 'disprove', you go do your research with the crowd-sourced wisdom of those other gamers.The fact that the mechanical changes in 5E are so pointedly aimed at nerfing caster power in every way - from Concentration t limited spell durations to 'Save every round to end Save or Suck' to elimination of extra spells via high INT (and on and on) point to the problem. If it wasn't broken, why was it fixed? How about you go through every mechanical change that was made with the Wizard between 3.5 and 5 and you prove to me that the overall power level has stayed the same or increased? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh    :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" />Strike #3: Accusations of bias before a single back-and-forth. I don't have time for this. Looking at your post history has shown me that's a typical MO. I made a mistake getting in to this thread, and another engaging with you. I won't do either of those again. Toodles!</blockquote>

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